Live Events Discussion

One person could make a valid case for having an in-character reason for being there.

What about the other thirty-eight?

Such as...?

Seriously. the scenario is: Shiny ship A will be travelling from known system B to known system C along known route D at published date and time E. B, C and D are purely highsec systems. There is no way to persuade them not to - it's going to happen regardless of any threats that may exist along the way. How do you prevent suicide gank fleet F from blowing up ship A?

They don't, and they don't need to 'justify' their presence to you, oh holy shepherd of the gates of RP.

This is a sandbox game. Anyone can show up wherever they please and attempt to wreck someone's day. That's how this game has worked for 10 years. Stop pretending you live in some sort of RP bubble where everyone has to be 'in character' to join in on your little tea party.

Next you'll be asking for separate RP shards.

There have been many suggestions made in this thread already. But the major one, IMO, is the the fact that all of the delegates yesterday were capsuleers. Therefore it would have been impossible to permanently kill them no matter what anyone did. Blow up their ships, but not kill the delegate.

Then there's also the possibility of decoys, using realistically tanked supercapitals (which to my understanding are practically impossible to kill in high sec without being actually invincible), traveling in covert ops ships, and so on.

Announcing you're going to have a big parade is going to attract gankers. Anyone who lives in the EVE universe, both IC and OOC, knows this. The actors aren't stupid, and can ICly plan for the possibility of attack.

Yes, I agree that this needs to stop.

Everyone is welcome at live events, we're not going to discriminate against anyone who wants to come along and join in. In this instance, regardless of who shot at the ships, the outcome would have been the same, so it's not a problem in that respect.

As I've said previously, the feedback from this thread has been taken on board, and the modules in question won't be something we'll ever use again for live events.

Option 1: in which case it's no longer following D. I thought the point of this event was that it was exactly what I just described: a ceremonial procession from B to C through D, with no deviations?

Option 2: For the escorts, that scenario constitutes mission failure, and as such was our "we want to avoid this scenario at all costs".

3: That's the trick, isn't it?

As I've been saying, it was the nature of this event that made that QA module necessary. That ABCDEF summary was my mission profile as an FC, and looking at it the only response I could produce was "well, we're boned."

Literally the only option available to the escorts was to tag along and watch, being effectively superfluous to requirements. It was fun RP, but our actual usefulness or influence over the outcome was nil. We couldn't really persuade the delegates to re-ship, take an alternative route, jump at the first sign of trouble or anything.

In any other MMO, that mission would have been perfectly doable, because other games have things like damage shares, max HP buffs, remote damage resistance buffs, taunts and so on. EVE doesn't have those. If I could have shown up to yesterday's event wearing a module that allows me to target a ship and take 33% of the shield damage it takes on its behalf, I would have. No such module exists, we just can't actively buff allies in that way in EVE.

Now, I'm not promoting that those things should exist in EVE (could be interesting, but that's a matter for the games designers). I'm just saying that in their absence, our options for defending the delegate against a suicide gank were nil. Zip. Nada. Couldn't be done.

Adding the QA shield extender put the Goons in exactly the same boat the escorts were in - unable to influence the event in any serious "make your own adventure book" kind of way. We could say stuff and watch the explosions and that was about it.

Now, I personally don't mind that so long as we know in advance that the event is a "cutscene" rather than being fully interactive. I'll gladly show up to watch a cutscene, but it'll make everyone feel less futile and superfluous if they know ahead of time that they're attending a cutscene.

Still, if such cutscene events can be kept to a minimum, that would be much appreciated I think.

Because there was not a remote possibility of that happening, as we saw.

Are you saying that players need to submit their roleplay credentials in advance before showing up in a system where story arcs may be happening?

If a ship is getting ganked, are you going to have CCP read the resumes of every player attacking and determine who has a legitimate roleplay reason to be firing? Implement 100% TiDi so they can read the CVs and conduct interviews with every participant?

You are being silly.

This. So much

Name one.


So we are never going to see events with high ranking NPC characters again unless the storyline requires them to die? yay.

As for the event: The idea of being able to shoot high ranking government officials is dumb to begin with; why on earth would CONCORD allow you to do such a thing? They can disable your weapons, ship and cloning with the flick of a single button, we are but puppets to them and everything we do is only done with their permission. Or this case; permission denied.

Whether or not a GM/Dev mods where used is irrelevant, these modules serve to compensate where game functionality can not provide what is needed.

In summary: lol cry more.