Live Events Discussion

I reiterate that sure, we could make actor ships vulnerable in highsec, and let's say VIP actors are extremely hard to kill, but plausible with a large enough blob.

The consequences of trying to kill heads of state in high sec on a peaceful mission would be immediate and permanent CONCORD KOS in highsec for the rest of eternity for the offending pilots and their organizations. Not a little -2 hit to sec status, permanent -10.

It stretches IC credibility to assume firing on Republic heads of state would give you a slap on the wrist as a result.

This is a sandbox as so many here have stated and all actions should have consequences and all events should be able to be affected by players.

However in live events the consequences are to minor. Losing a ship while suicide ganking is not a consequence worth noting it is a expected response to the action you are taking and against a player character or corporation that corporation can decide to

1) war dec said suicide ganker
2) set a bounty on said ganker
3) sell or claim his killrights themselves

action and consequence

attacking an NPC actor in a Live event has none of these consequences.

I agree the use of QA modules was perhaps over stepping a touch but given the circumstances and current GM powers you couldn't do much else.

The Tribal Leaders were in effect our "prime ministers" so to speak. The empires control all docking and gate travel through their empire and can stop people undocking from stations or being given permission to gate jump. As happens with a weapon "tag"

If we assume the RSS and our gallente intelligence allies aren't idiots they would have had actionable intelligence that goons or amarr militia members would attempt to attack the delegates and wouldn't have allowed any travel for them within Minmatar space.

Lets say they are and you killed a Tribal delegate, you would expect your corp/alliance to instantly be set -10 by the republic and docking rights removed in all republic stations.

But ofc this is a sandbox where only actions against players have consequences not any actions at Live Events.

If you want these to be less of a joke where nullsec alliances just **** all over your sandcastle implement and make people widely aware that in future actions will have consequences.

GSF is a big alliance. Why would the actions of some of it's pilots cause the whole alliance to get negative standings?
Sure, drop them all the way to -10 sec status (I would not say permanent, though) if they gank a Live Event actor.

The difference being, I didn't attack a ship in the reasonable belief that it would be fitted with ordinary modules only to find it was instead slathered in QA modules.

If the Goons had known that those QA shield extenders were on there, they'd very likely not have attacked. I think the idea to reimburse is the correct one. If they'd known and attacked anyway, then I'd think reimbursment was inappropriate but in this case it seems only fair to me.

this times 1000 million

Correct right now there is 0 penalty for attacking NPC actors. If you want to kill them that's super fine, but don't expect to ever dock in one of their stations or use their stargates ever again.

I think that we all need to show a little bit more courtesy to the dev actors who make these events for us. How would those council members *actually* have been transported? Either in quick, quiet, stealth ships or in a jump capable bridge. If for some reason they needed to make a parade of it, for publicity reasons, it would have been done at the heart of the Tribes' fleet, with massive support. There would have been a great number of NPC ships there, excluding the Capsuleers. They would have brought out their best.

But we don't have that many actors, capable of controlling that many ships. So they did what they could.

EVE's not a sandbox, because the Empires are there but are static and relatively changeless, and yet they're the largest and most potent entities in the game, bar none.

I'm glad you got your ships back, goonies, but please (and I mean this for everyone), don't be so hard on our dev actors. They're trying to bring a new type of interaction to the game. It doesn't always work out. Voice what you like and don't like, but be glad for their efforts.

The module itself is a problem because it can't be justified ICly. Giving it a propper name (someone said Elder Shield Booster or something like that, which is a good name) is a start, but in the end it would still be inmersion breaking because it would be a deus-ex item: nothing in reality is indestructible under enough firepower. So, more deus ex's would bring us back to TEA, and that's hopefully a no-no!



I believe that ICly, the empires are the strongest forces in the EVE cluster together with CONCORD. They should have ships way above the ressources of normal capsuleers, just like the US military has equipment way above those of normal mercenary corporations (well, actually, in this case, way above those of any other nation as well). But they shouldn't break the rules, just be the highest end of them. Say... T5 ships or something like that.



I think this would have worked nicely, at least for me. And giving a true sense of what the power of the empires are.

When Jamyl's coronation came out, the video gave an idea of the inmense power of the Empire thanks to the enormoyus amount of titans and carriers and everything on display. Now those are easier to get and more common in 0.0 than they were back then, so the empires lack a show of how they have advanced as well, and this could be it.



I agree with you and the idea of cutscenes in general, specially with the part on balancing both sides to null power. But, in this case, a Live Event is not a cutscene. EVE has had cutscenes (the coronation of Jamyl, for example, or the ramming of the station), and a Live Event should not be one.



I agree completely.

Not so sure about permanence. one of the themes of EVE is corruption and being willing to cut deals with the metaphorical devil, after all. a few bribes here and there, some hard graft to show willing and even the most rustled of jimmies can be soothed.

Besides, you have to consider the newcomers. Give it a month after the event, there'll be new players joining the alliance only to be all like "WTF I JUST UNDOKED ADN THE NAVY SHOOT ME!?" in alliance chat. That's not a good new player experience.

Penalize the participants by all means, but not the whole alliance. That's like court-marshalling a general for a corporal's transgressions.

Why should they give anyone any advanced knowledge of rulings?

It's a sandbox, right? Prepare for sandbox responses on the fly.