Missions & Complexes

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I recently started getting into Caldari Navy level 4's and even bought myself a CNR, but I'm finding them boring grinds, especially if I solo them. Honestly, the modest income isn't even worth my time and energy.
I've been reading up on incursions, and they sound like a lot more fun, but my skills and spending money don't really support a Incursions-ready battleship. What should I do?

How much isk would I be making? Enough to justify the greater possibility of loss of my CNR?

Low sec missions pay more. But obviously you have to be careful. Repeatedly missioning in high sec gets old fast though.

However, you must be doing them very slowly if it is just a "modest" income.


Do some DED sites in a smaller ship. Lots of ways to make isk..

lvl4s pay decently well unless you're doing it wrong™. also, incursions are just as repetitive, the only upside is that you get to chat some with your fleet. the only reliable 'fun' way to make some isk is probably faction warfare.

Hey there,


I've found some fun things to do in addition to LvL 4's in High Sec. Please note that Salvaging is important to get ISKies from Missions. A typical large LvL4 will drop around 20Million Isk in Salvage! Might be worth getting a destroyer fitted up as a salvager or a Noctis with a bit of training. I noticed you have only Salvage trained to 1. This is cool - but there is an ISK opportunity for you there.



PI in Lo-Sec can give you an OK passive income for a modest amount of effort and no great training requirements. PI guides are available. Most stuff sells OK - you can get a garunteed income making POS fules - but Nanite Repair paste is making me a lot at the moment. You also get the excitement of making risky Lo-Sec journies in industrials! But they are dirt cheap if you ever lose them. That's an easy 20Million going up to 30Million if you work out a better strategy - I get that much a week. (It will pay for one of your PvP frigates at least!). With an ALT character PI can grow into a proper business!



Exploration is great fun for me. In lo Sec again - using the Radar sites - get quick and easy and very valuable items to sell. I've found that to go after more than a couple of the professional sites gimps your mids and highs too much - so I just stick to Radar at the moment.



Train up Laboratory operations a bit. Get some BPOs. Research them for ME in lo-sec where the research slots are less used - then once you have some researched BPOs start making copies of them to sell on contract in the trade hubs. A little research into what people want is key here. Also an opportunity has arisen with the proposed changes in the next ship balancing. See if you can work out what people will want to buy in the future - take a risk, (Requires a fair bit of isk), and get ready to offer up BPCs that people will want to buy - treat this as a passive income!


Hi-Sec combat probing to find missions - then using a small fast ship - ninja salvage. Like I said before - there is often up to 20 Million ISK to be made from a big mission. People don't like it - but that's just the game. So this might be something a alt would do for you if you want to be naughty and not get people mad at your main!



Loyalty store items. . .Now these can be worth lots - or virtually nothing. But if you are Caldari you have access to some items that will make your total return on investment massive once you can get the best items of the LP store and sell them! Faction ammunition always sells well - but the margins aren't uber.



Mining is a bit boring - and skill intensive - but I kinda like it. Returns on time are weak - but if you end up with a spare alt - as I have - then you can set them off mining whilst you are doing something with your main - and it gives you a second income stream. If you have lo faction standing and not good refining skills - it might be better to sell the rocks than the refined minerals - check your yeilds against the markets. . . This only really works for a semi AFK alt whilst your main does the fun stuff. But it is a passive income then!



Gas harvesting isn't worth it - or I was doing it wrong.



LvL 4 mining missions - now these are odd. I've discovered that the LP rewards I can get from the minmatar mining mission corporations appear to be awesome - like 5 run BPC for RF Warp Disrupter - but I've not fully investigated this. Having an alt do the mining missions - to work towards these LP rewards might be good. . . But - I don't know.



These are some things I'm up to anyway recntly - NOT the Ninja Salvaging . . .ahem . . . Obviously. . . . But my longer term efforts are in production of T1 items



So - I've also got the whole production thing running in the background - but that has taken ages to get set up. And half, (actually most), of my BPOs are not worth making at the moment because so many people list stuff under the price of the constituent materials - mostly because the mine the minerals themselves and don't factor that cost into production.



An opportunity arises here - if your faction standing is high and you train scrap metal reprocessing, or what ever it was called, (A massive commitment), you get near enoug a perfect refine on recycled items - this allows you to buy underpriced items - refine them back to minerals and then sell that at a profit - sometimes directly back to buy orders even!!! This takes some knowledge of markets - but this comes if you focus on one or two high material requirement items - such as large guns. After the changes to the drone regions and mineral prices went up massivly - a lot of old sell orders on the market were still available - abd these were bought - refined - and the materials sold. It produced a large income for a short while.



Consumables will always sell - but at razor thin margins - CAP boosters (800s) and all ammunition and missiles will sell.

Anyway - Fun!

You can almost get into a basilisk which will get you in enough fleets :) ( with Signature Analysis V, Long Range Targeting V, Multitasking III, Logi IV.. should take a while tho :/).
I guess you won't have much trouble getting into a hq incursion fleet with a CNR either(if it is fitted properly).. for more infos join a community channel of your choice..