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Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-02-10 23:13:37 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Karbowiak wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Mighty sexy Killboard you got there.

Getting a database down message trying to log in, so I'll ask here, is the board set up(or are there plans to set up) allowing a CNAME to point to the board so that corps and alliances can host their KBs with it while maintaining URL conventions?

ie. can we point kills.nucleararmsexchange.com at the board and have it load our killboards since(at least for now) we can't set up our own?

/me looks forward to never dealing with EDK again.


Yes, cnames will be supported with the domain tracker :)

It aint working 100% yet tho, but i'll be whipping Squizz in the coming week to get it working Lol

2 things on this.

One, it doesn't appear to be working at all, but since you guys are working on it there is no point to saying more, lol.

Two, it would be useful to have an instruction on the Domain Tracker page telling exactly what domain name to set the CNAME up pointing to. zKillboard does not seem to do subdomains the way EVE-Kill does, instead having a URL path pointing to the alliance. Should the CNAME just point to zKillboard, where it will be handled as a vhost, or will the lack of subdomains be changed?

This killboard is too nice, I got people wanting to know why we are not using it fully yet, no matter how much I tell them beta ;)


Haha, lovely that people want to use it Big smile

But to answer your two questions.
1. The domain tracker isn't ~exactly~ working. Background stuff is sorta, but it's coded like stale ass (i wrote it, so, yeah.. karbocode) And Squizz has been more busy with his girlfriend and the killmail parser.
He'll get to it eventually :)

2. There will be a tutorial on how to use it somewhere. If not on the page, then under the FAQ. If the latter, there will be a link to it.
As for the cname, you just cname it to the main domain itself. zkillboard.com is only a temporary thing. When we're done, it'll all be moved to eve-kill.net


--

To everyone interested, i had a terrible idea earlier tonight, about 30 minutes before Top Gear came on, did it, watched Top GEar, and did some more. This is the result (Yes, it loads slow as ****) http://edkzkb.karbowiak.dk/

zKB with an EDK esque theme. Still working on it, so it looks terrible, biggest issue is making bootstrap do as i tell it, without interfering. Easier said than done Lol
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#142 - 2013-02-10 23:36:44 UTC
You guys are awesome Bear

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

HalfSaw
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2013-02-11 15:02:12 UTC
Karbowiak wrote:
HalfSaw wrote:
I can't find a kill on zKB but I found it on evekill: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16280979
Could u check it out?

Ty for your great job, I like ZKilloboard much more then evekill!


Manually posted mails (like the one you linked) are not crossposted to zKB..

Not yet anyway. We're in the process of moving kills over, but it's going at around 15k mails an hour. So moving over ~12m mails will take a while Lol

Feel free to crosspost it tho, or simply add your API to the site Smile


I had already added my api to the site before that kill (just to let you know for eventual debugging purposes).
Btw, now I can see it, everything is updated :-)

Ty
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-02-12 10:33:10 UTC
So, some quick semi non-accurate calculations.

We're moving between 15 and 30k mails an hour from EVE-KILL, so i've set the avg. to 18k an hour.
And there is as of right now, around 7.8m mails to move.

making the entire thing take another ~433 hours, or ~18 days.
Soooooooo, Friday the 1st March everything will have been moved over Shocked

Maybe.. Lol
Unholey
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2013-02-12 20:41:05 UTC
I recently disputed a mail on EVE-Kill and it was removed from there but it still shows up on zKillboard. Is there somewhere else to make a petition/dispute for zKillboard or will all that eventually update as your work progresses?
Absolutely love what you've done with it so far!

You Can't Fly In Here

Squizz Caphinator
The Wormhole Police
#146 - 2013-02-12 21:09:35 UTC
Unholey wrote:
I recently disputed a mail on EVE-Kill and it was removed from there but it still shows up on zKillboard. Is there somewhere else to make a petition/dispute for zKillboard or will all that eventually update as your work progresses?
Absolutely love what you've done with it so far!


Deletes between the killboards aren't synchronized. Stop into our live chat and let us know which kill you want gone and I, or someone else, will nuke it for you.

http://www.evsco.net/?a=support

Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:

https://zkillboard.com | https://evewho.com

krallistice
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2013-02-12 22:37:20 UTC
First of all great work so far. But there are a few things i miss: (if you already answered them, forgive me i didnt read all Pages carefully and could missed something)

1. I really like the monthly Summary in eve-kill were i can see the Sum of Kill/Losses of this month. I found it really useful and i cant find anything similar in zKillboard.

2. A Total Number of Solo Kill. I can see a list of all solo kills but i cant find the total number wich i should be not to hard for you to calculate.
(I also think that a solo kill is a KM with only 1 player and npc dont count. But since you made you position about this clear i will shut up now :) )

3. As other people sad before i find most of the icons to big and also some space to large. In overall i have to scroll a lot to get the same amount of information as in eve-kill.

But keep up the good work, i really like what you did so far :)

Mein PvP Blog: http://kralli-pewpew.blogspot.com/ 

Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#148 - 2013-02-14 07:45:57 UTC
I have to say Killboards are a dime a dozen these days, however, I am really feeling the layout and general visual dynamics of this particular one. There are also some good comments and advice on tweaks here also as far as updates for the board. I will be trying this soon. Great work!

Az Tek
Az Rhea
Az Er'Khan
Az Guardian


Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-02-16 11:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Karbowiak
krallistice wrote:
First of all great work so far. But there are a few things i miss: (if you already answered them, forgive me i didnt read all Pages carefully and could missed something)

1. I really like the monthly Summary in eve-kill were i can see the Sum of Kill/Losses of this month. I found it really useful and i cant find anything similar in zKillboard.

2. A Total Number of Solo Kill. I can see a list of all solo kills but i cant find the total number wich i should be not to hard for you to calculate.
(I also think that a solo kill is a KM with only 1 player and npc dont count. But since you made you position about this clear i will shut up now :) )

3. As other people sad before i find most of the icons to big and also some space to large. In overall i have to scroll a lot to get the same amount of information as in eve-kill.

But keep up the good work, i really like what you did so far :)


1. The monthly views are coming back, they are already available in the code, but there are still no way to access it from the ui (you can add /month/01/year/2013/ to the end of the url if you want)

2. Total number of solo kills would be a cool idea, if you can suggest it via userreport it'll not be forgotten! :)

3. Big icons are a part of what makes zKB, zKB.. We will however provide an EDK look-alike theme for the site at some point.

Az Tek wrote:
I have to say Killboards are a dime a dozen these days, however, I am really feeling the layout and general visual dynamics of this particular one. There are also some good comments and advice on tweaks here also as far as updates for the board. I will be trying this soon. Great work!



a dime a dozen these days? what other killboards are there? lol

pyKB is not exactly working, Kingboard works but only API, BC is horrible, GW is equally terrible and then theres EDK which requires so many modifications just to work.

Not really a lot to choose from :P

But if you like the visuals of zKB, then i'm glad Big smile



Yesterday we ran into some issues with HDD space starting to dwindle on our database partition, so we added more space, moved zKB to that, but even then, zKB was crazy large.

So Squizz set out to find ways to make it all smaller, some table chances (some int to tinyint etc.) and an innodb row change (From dynamic/compact to compressed) and we went from 92GB in size, to 59GB. 33GB saved Big smile

A nice side bonus, it gave the site a little more speed. Big smile

edit://
Updated the API documentation for the site, with a few more modifiers and some extra reminders for people using it.

Also we fixed a few bugs with it, pastSeconds, startTime/endTime and orderDirection. Big thanks to Risingson (Creator and developer of Eveeye.com)

edit2://
Risingson discovered yet ANOTHER bug with the API. The expected behaviour without kills or losses set, was to get combined info, which you did unless you added specific arguments. Then it'd return only kills.

Silly error which is now fixed :)
zar dada
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#150 - 2013-02-17 16:01:55 UTC
Karbowiak wrote:


- Spacing on the board won't change anytime soon, some like it, others don't. As for the theme, make an account and you can select from a few different themes.
Everything is pr. user, so you can customize everything to YOUR liking, not the liking of whomever set up the board Cool


Any plans to open this up to custom themes? I use a browser on top of EVE so the browser is less than half screen size. With the current default layout zkillboard is in one giant column.

Also zkillboard is very responsive, is that because of superior programming, or not enough users yet?

Thanks for creating an alternative!
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#151 - 2013-02-17 16:25:12 UTC
zar dada wrote:
Karbowiak wrote:


- Spacing on the board won't change anytime soon, some like it, others don't. As for the theme, make an account and you can select from a few different themes.
Everything is pr. user, so you can customize everything to YOUR liking, not the liking of whomever set up the board Cool


Any plans to open this up to custom themes? I use a browser on top of EVE so the browser is less than half screen size. With the current default layout zkillboard is in one giant column.

Also zkillboard is very responsive, is that because of superior programming, or not enough users yet?

Thanks for creating an alternative!


The board will be opensourced, and we will bring more people in to help make more themes (i am currently working on an EDK variant for it for example)

And who knows, we might even devise a system that allows you to use your own self made theme.

And yeah, it's very superior to EDK, in every single way Lol
Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-02-17 18:45:08 UTC
So apparently emailing on registration was broken, and noone told us about it X

It's fixed now tho, and you should recieve mails again! Blink
Squizz Caphinator
The Wormhole Police
#153 - 2013-02-17 19:00:57 UTC
zar dada wrote:
[quote=Karbowiak]Also zkillboard is very responsive, is that because of superior programming, or not enough users yet?


One of things about the way we've desgined zKB is that the more users using zKB, the faster the site gets overall.

Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:

https://zkillboard.com | https://evewho.com

Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#154 - 2013-02-17 19:15:53 UTC
Squizz Caphinator wrote:
zar dada wrote:
[quote=Karbowiak]Also zkillboard is very responsive, is that because of superior programming, or not enough users yet?


One of things about the way we've desgined zKB is that the more users using zKB, the faster the site gets overall.


I'd like to explain why Shocked

zKB is programmed so we do as little joins in the database as possible (im pretty certain there are NO joins in query form actually) - so every query is a simple 'select blabla from blabla' - which has it's result cached in memcached for a certain period of time.

Now, this query can be used on a lot of different pages. Be it detail, killlist, account etc. So the more people who use the site, the more of those type of queries are cached, and the faster it gets.

But ontop of that, we run a cache primer every now and then, loading all the character, corporation and alliance information into memcached, so it's near instant to fetch.

And that is just the caching we have activated now, we have several more types of caching we will enable when we go to production - including everything will be thrown onto cloudflare, with specific cache times on specific pages and items (css, js, jpg, png etc.) - plus etags and expires.

So, yeah, zKB will be fast.. very, extremely fast.. Twisted
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-02-18 13:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
I'm impressed by the new zKB engine and all kudos to the devs and every other contributors whom has participated/participating on the development.

However, without any disrespect towards the web designer. The presentation bothers me a lot (please note that this is merely an opinion, not a fact), it has very low readibility (zKB has literally no focal points placed for readibility) and usability in terms of overall layout goes. The presentation elements/blocks are not placed efficiently and a lot of those elements, including texts are too big to skim quickly. Hopefullly this is not how it'll be in the end, I was looking forward to see how it'll go.

I'll give you an example by comparing two battle report layout from different engine :
Random Battle Report from zKB main site
Random Battle Report from PonyWaffe kb site running EDK 4 with custom theme & modified engine
The point I'm trying to show here is simply that "bigger" isn't always easer to read, and contrast and color distinction can be important to easily separate and applying priority tiers to information presented.

Hope this helps.

Regardless, awesome work!

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Squizz Caphinator
The Wormhole Police
#156 - 2013-02-18 19:26:47 UTC
Sarah, thanks for your feedback. Just so you know, we aren't going for "bigger is better". The bigger look is just a side effect of bootstrap.

Also, that battle report page will be getting some major love as it is far from complete. None of us are happy with the way it works atm, but its there as a placeholder until we get around to the presentation.

Nice mods on that PonyWaffe site, I haven't seen those before.

Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:

https://zkillboard.com | https://evewho.com

Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-02-18 20:26:54 UTC
Squizz Caphinator wrote:
Sarah, thanks for your feedback. Just so you know, we aren't going for "bigger is better". The bigger look is just a side effect of bootstrap.

Also, that battle report page will be getting some major love as it is far from complete. None of us are happy with the way it works atm, but its there as a placeholder until we get around to the presentation.

Nice mods on that PonyWaffe site, I haven't seen those before.

I was really impressed by the zKB performance in comparison to EDK, so I honestly hope the presentation is going to be far better than EDK as well. I realized it's still in beta, so I'm expecting alot more to come! Great work! (I can't say this enough :P)

As for the PonyWaffe KB, I didn't write those as mods (unfortunately) so it was a direct modification to the .tpl and some of the template process files and minor alteration to the core as well.

Question though, would you guys be releasing the source to public or better yet do you guys have any plans on packing the engine for public consumption later on? I'm sure a lot of us would very much like it if there are plans for doing so.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#158 - 2013-02-18 20:51:56 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Squizz Caphinator wrote:
Sarah, thanks for your feedback. Just so you know, we aren't going for "bigger is better". The bigger look is just a side effect of bootstrap.

Also, that battle report page will be getting some major love as it is far from complete. None of us are happy with the way it works atm, but its there as a placeholder until we get around to the presentation.

Nice mods on that PonyWaffe site, I haven't seen those before.

I was really impressed by the zKB performance in comparison to EDK, so I honestly hope the presentation is going to be far better than EDK as well. I realized it's still in beta, so I'm expecting alot more to come! Great work! (I can't say this enough :P)

As for the PonyWaffe KB, I didn't write those as mods (unfortunately) so it was a direct modification to the .tpl and some of the template process files and minor alteration to the core as well.

Question though, would you guys be releasing the source to public or better yet do you guys have any plans on packing the engine for public consumption later on? I'm sure a lot of us would very much like it if there are plans for doing so.


zKB is a crazy performer, simply stunning, and it seems to only get faster, eventho we're filling it with more and more mails Lol

As for you modifications of the tpl files, i really, really like them. Hell, i might even be willing to tell you to start making zKB look equally as good Smile

As for your question, yes we plan on making the source public (open source but with a slight restrictive license, you can see it on the information page if you want).
As for using it as an pilot, corp or alliance killboard, you'll be out of luck. Atleast initially.

We are coding zKB specifically for EVE-KILL, and the usage it'll see there. So we havn't given any thought to people who want to use it for their corp or alliance.

That having been said, we want to rectify this down the road, but eve-kill is first priority atm, and will be so for quite some time.
HOWEVER! Everyone is free to help develop the project further, and make it even better in every possible way.

But we'll have way more information about how, when why etc. etc. etc. when we get closer to open sourcing it Big smile
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#159 - 2013-02-18 21:27:39 UTC
Karbowiak wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Squizz Caphinator wrote:
Sarah, thanks for your feedback. Just so you know, we aren't going for "bigger is better". The bigger look is just a side effect of bootstrap.

Also, that battle report page will be getting some major love as it is far from complete. None of us are happy with the way it works atm, but its there as a placeholder until we get around to the presentation.

Nice mods on that PonyWaffe site, I haven't seen those before.

I was really impressed by the zKB performance in comparison to EDK, so I honestly hope the presentation is going to be far better than EDK as well. I realized it's still in beta, so I'm expecting alot more to come! Great work! (I can't say this enough :P)

As for the PonyWaffe KB, I didn't write those as mods (unfortunately) so it was a direct modification to the .tpl and some of the template process files and minor alteration to the core as well.

Question though, would you guys be releasing the source to public or better yet do you guys have any plans on packing the engine for public consumption later on? I'm sure a lot of us would very much like it if there are plans for doing so.


zKB is a crazy performer, simply stunning, and it seems to only get faster, eventho we're filling it with more and more mails Lol

As for you modifications of the tpl files, i really, really like them. Hell, i might even be willing to tell you to start making zKB look equally as good Smile

As for your question, yes we plan on making the source public (open source but with a slight restrictive license, you can see it on the information page if you want).
As for using it as an pilot, corp or alliance killboard, you'll be out of luck. Atleast initially.

We are coding zKB specifically for EVE-KILL, and the usage it'll see there. So we havn't given any thought to people who want to use it for their corp or alliance.

That having been said, we want to rectify this down the road, but eve-kill is first priority atm, and will be so for quite some time.
HOWEVER! Everyone is free to help develop the project further, and make it even better in every possible way.

But we'll have way more information about how, when why etc. etc. etc. when we get closer to open sourcing it Big smile

I understand, and I think it's the right way of doing it. I also think you guys know what you're doing, so there's not much to add there (hence why I only addressed my point of view regarding the layout). Regardless, if you guys need any help with that particular aspect, just give me a poke.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave

Karbowiak
State War Academy
Caldari State
#160 - 2013-02-19 16:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Karbowiak
Incase you see strange warnings, errors and pages that wont exactly load correctly, for the next 24h or so. It's because we have switched zkillboard.com over to cloudflare, and are getting it fully sorted.

But because of how DNS and Namservers work, all the settings can't be tested and made working 100% in the first 24h, since some see the changes, others don't.

No worries tho, once we're done, it'll be much faster.
zKB isn't made specifically for use on a network such as cloudflare, but it does love it, much more than EDK ever has Lol

edit://
Those of you using the API, please test out if your applications has been impacted negatively, i have put the API onto cloudflare with caching on the edgenodes for 1h, with browser caching to 2h (lowest i could)
Should help make it more resistant to abuse, but if it impacts it's usability - i'll revert it Smile

edit2://
We are trying out switching all image serving away from CCPs image server, over to image.zkillboard.com (Which is heavily cached by cloudflare) - We'll see how THAT goes Lol

edit3://
Every call to zKB is now SSL, so, yeah.. P Alter your scripts people! Blink