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Hide your ISK, Team Security is out of control. (Allegedly)

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2013-02-12 13:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Cursan Voran wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Cotic wrote:
Cursan Voran wrote:
Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.

Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread...


This.
Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before.

he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA.

what do you expect to happen?


Nothing because he never said that?



he said quite clearly that he considers cache scraping illegal (i.e. against the eula as we certainly are not talking about rl laws here).

Quote:
Evemon has a cache scraper built into it now.

not just built-in but activated by default - it even turned itself back on after a recent update although I had deactivated it beforehand.

.
Whitehound
#162 - 2013-02-12 13:26:45 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Cotic wrote:
Cursan Voran wrote:
Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.

Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread...


This.
Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before.

he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA.

what do you expect to happen?

EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2013-02-12 13:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Whitehound wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
Cotic wrote:
Cursan Voran wrote:
Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.

Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread...


This.
Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before.

he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA.

what do you expect to happen?

EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.

http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg

this box is ticked by default.

now please stop spreading disinfiormation

.
Garcia Arnst
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-02-12 13:30:16 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.


You don't know what you are talking about:

"* EVEMon now has a Market Unified Uploader"

See here: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/changelogs.php#ixzz2Kgv3CVd3"
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-02-12 13:30:39 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.


I think market uploader is enabled by default, which makes evemon parse the cache files and upload data to eg. eve central.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#166 - 2013-02-12 13:31:52 UTC
If you're still reading this Sreegs, thank you for coming in here and defending yourself rather than ignoring the thread.

It's little things like this that make me love CCP.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#167 - 2013-02-12 13:32:43 UTC
I know I'm drunk (yay vacation time), but is anyone else finding this thread hilarious? Also is bourbon a bad thing at 7:29 in the morning?

On a more serious (but still drunk) note: whoever suggested that "Internal Affairs" shouldn't be internal doesn't understand words in English lol. My Department's IA is a REAL IA (with cops in it lol) and from the outside it all looks so buddy buddy and "they protect their own/blue wall of silence" crap. The truth is those guys would charge their mothers with misconduct if they worked for out police department and didn't follow policy to the letter.

Seeing how psyco Iceland folk are, I'd be willing to bet CCP's IA is worse (itching to sack their GRAND mothers or something)...
Whitehound
#168 - 2013-02-12 13:33:35 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg

this box is ticked by default.

now please stop spreading disinfiormation

EVEMon reads your orders from the EVE API and uploads it to EVE Central. It does not touch local files from what I know.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#169 - 2013-02-12 13:33:57 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
If you're still reading this Sreegs, thank you for coming in here and defending yourself rather than ignoring the thread.

It's little things like this that make me love CCP.


the way you said that makes it sound so......"alternative lifestyle" . So you like Sreeg's little things? Twisted
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#170 - 2013-02-12 13:34:43 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I know I'm drunk (yay vacation time), but is anyone else finding this thread hilarious? Also is bourbon a bad thing at 7:29 in the morning?



That depends when you started drinking.

Bourbon's not a 'I just got up' drink.

But it's fine as a 'I'm still up' drink.

Lol

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#171 - 2013-02-12 13:35:05 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg

this box is ticked by default.

now please stop spreading disinfiormation

EVEMon reads your orders from the EVE API and uploads it to EVE Central. It does not touch local files from what I know.


You're wrong.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#172 - 2013-02-12 13:35:51 UTC
He got busted botting, ragequit eve, gave his illgotten ISK to a corp. They in turn had the ISK removed and now your whining about it. (Call a Waaaambulance)

Good job CCP, keep up the good work.
Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#173 - 2013-02-12 13:36:09 UTC
Kelduum wants special treatment, nbs
Whitehound
#174 - 2013-02-12 13:36:42 UTC
Equto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

it's a standing expression - just like "web scraping" (which doesn't modify any websites either)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scraping

Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack.

Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS.

The point is not about what you think it does, but about what the owner of the web site thinks. So you can insist on just reading the site, but this alone can get you into trouble and should not be taken lightly as I already said can turn into a DoS attack.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#175 - 2013-02-12 13:38:53 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Equto wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

it's a standing expression - just like "web scraping" (which doesn't modify any websites either)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scraping

Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack.

Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS.

The point is not about what you think it does, but about what the owner of the web site thinks. So you can insist on just reading the site, but this alone can get you into trouble and should not be taken lightly as I already said can turn into a DoS attack.


Stop trolling please. And if you aren't trolling, then it's time to stop posting because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Whitehound
#176 - 2013-02-12 13:38:55 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You're wrong.

Can you be more specific please?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Crash Lander
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2013-02-12 13:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Crash Lander
I'm not going to take sides on weather the player was indeed botting/macroing or not but as another developer I do have this to say to Sreegs and the GMs:

Reading a non encrypted file on my hard drive is not and cannot be considered a modification of the client and you can't ban players solely based on this.
Now if you encrypt or make attempts to protect the said file/data and a player has to do something beyond just reading the file then you may have a better case. Until then any justification is just wordplay.
Whitehound
#178 - 2013-02-12 13:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Nemo deBlanc wrote:
Stop trolling please. And if you aren't trolling, then it's time to stop posting because you have no idea what you're talking about.

No, you stop. CCP Sreegs has told us what he thinks and we all do good to follow it.

If you have any insights to share other than "you are wrong" or "you are a troll" then I'd like to know about it as much as everybody else.

If not then stop spreading your fear and paranoia. Thank you!!

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#179 - 2013-02-12 13:41:21 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
That is the problem right there. He was using tools which allowed him to rapidly perform actions faster than he otherwise would have been able to on his own. This is covered in the EULA.


So pretty much any South Korean Statcraft player is doomed to face false charges and banning, then. Lovely.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Garcia Arnst
Doomheim
#180 - 2013-02-12 13:45:22 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
You're wrong.

Can you be more specific please?


By default EVEMon (as of release 1.7) will parse the market cache files generated by your EVEClient and (optionally) upload them to places like eve-central. This functionality is enabled by default.