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AFK FAPPING
We Punch Nuns
#1 - 2013-02-08 16:26:24 UTC
I've just come back from a long break/short relapse/medium break to play with a friend who just started. I want to get them into pvp as soon as possible. How are the "starting pvp" areas of combat doing? By which I mean:

RvB: Is it still around? I remember when opinions were that RvB is the ****, and times where many people said it sucked. Worth joining currently?

FW: I never tried FW since it came out but kept an eye on it. Everyone either loves it or hates it. Or doesn't care about it. Did any worthwile changes get made? Would it be decent for 2 man - small gang roams?

Straight to 0.0: We can find a decent 0.0 corp and move straight out there so he doesn't pick up any bad habits in empire. He's interested in flying support roles, so he can have some fun in 0.0 without having to be yet another battleship for cta lagfests. Is nullsec pvp significantly different than it was 2-3 years ago? Also holy crap BoB's gone, wtf happened to my eve.

Straight to lowsec: how I learned and my primary form of pvp through the years :D
I doubt we'll go this route though for his sec status.

I'm bankrolling him so isk isn't an option (at least as far as the t1 frigs he can fly), and I'll be able to save him a lot of frustration by teaching him common pitfalls (how to navigate nullsec for example)
Mawderator
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#2 - 2013-02-08 16:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mawderator
RvB is still very much a thing. I've not had enough experience with them to give an informed opinion though. FW plexes got altered, and much of the combat that you find is T1 cruisers and down, now that Retribution made cruisers much more viable. You'll have plenty of fun roaming though FW space in fairly cheap ships. You've mentioned that your friend is interested in a support role, I'd suggest looking into any of the T1 logistics ships.

0.0 Sov warfare has become much more structured, there are far less kitchen sink fleets, T3's and to a lesser extent faction BS are fairly common, and not shiny playthings for wormhole corporations. One of BoB's directors decided to awox the alliance and dropped all their sov and much of their assets. Hope that helped.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#3 - 2013-02-08 17:22:06 UTC
AFK FAPPING wrote:
I've just come back from a long break/short relapse/medium break to play with a friend who just started. I want to get them into pvp as soon as possible. How are the "starting pvp" areas of combat doing? By which I mean:

RvB: Is it still around? I remember when opinions were that RvB is the ****, and times where many people said it sucked. Worth joining currently?

FW: I never tried FW since it came out but kept an eye on it. Everyone either loves it or hates it. Or doesn't care about it. Did any worthwile changes get made? Would it be decent for 2 man - small gang roams?

Straight to 0.0: We can find a decent 0.0 corp and move straight out there so he doesn't pick up any bad habits in empire. He's interested in flying support roles, so he can have some fun in 0.0 without having to be yet another battleship for cta lagfests. Is nullsec pvp significantly different than it was 2-3 years ago? Also holy crap BoB's gone, wtf happened to my eve.

Straight to lowsec: how I learned and my primary form of pvp through the years :D
I doubt we'll go this route though for his sec status.

I'm bankrolling him so isk isn't an option (at least as far as the t1 frigs he can fly), and I'll be able to save him a lot of frustration by teaching him common pitfalls (how to navigate nullsec for example)


Have him take an Agony PvP-Basic Class.... It's exposes him to beginner PvP concepts, and culminates in a large frigate roam through nullsec.... Our next class is a 2-day event on Feb 15&16 (20:00 EvE Time).... He, and you, can read about it here, and if you have any questions please feel free to msg me...

Ask around, Agony has a solid reputation. Additionally, our course material is open to the public... and is a good place for PvP info...

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#4 - 2013-02-08 18:14:48 UTC


I suppose I didn't answer your questions:

1.) RvB is still around, and generally has a very positive reputation... I have never been in RvB, but we often recommend it to pilots looking to learn...

2.) Agony just left FW last month... and FW is booming with small gang PvP. It's a great place to test the waters, although in the main combat zones, too many people use fleet boosters and/or overwhelming odds to give them an "advantage". In short, it's not always easy to find "fair" fights... but that's common in most areas of EvE PvP.

3.) I love killing stuff in Nullsec.... Depending where, it might be slower paced than FW, but still quite vital. Learning the basics of navigating around nullsec is a huge boon to anyone thinking of moving there... It isn't as accessible as lowsec, but that's part of the challenge..
AFK FAPPING
We Punch Nuns
#5 - 2013-02-08 19:56:51 UTC
Well after reading some of the FW whine threads to make sure nothing really changed and eve is still dying, I think we're going to start there this weekend :D
I'll recommend the Agony pvp classes, I remember hearing good things about last time I played. Thanks for the advice - can't wait to try out the new 0.0
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-08 21:07:06 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
AFK FAPPING wrote:
I've just come back from a long break/short relapse/medium break to play with a friend who just started. I want to get them into pvp as soon as possible. How are the "starting pvp" areas of combat doing? By which I mean:

RvB: Is it still around? I remember when opinions were that RvB is the ****, and times where many people said it sucked. Worth joining currently?

FW: I never tried FW since it came out but kept an eye on it. Everyone either loves it or hates it. Or doesn't care about it. Did any worthwile changes get made? Would it be decent for 2 man - small gang roams?

Straight to 0.0: We can find a decent 0.0 corp and move straight out there so he doesn't pick up any bad habits in empire. He's interested in flying support roles, so he can have some fun in 0.0 without having to be yet another battleship for cta lagfests. Is nullsec pvp significantly different than it was 2-3 years ago? Also holy crap BoB's gone, wtf happened to my eve.

Straight to lowsec: how I learned and my primary form of pvp through the years :D
I doubt we'll go this route though for his sec status.

I'm bankrolling him so isk isn't an option (at least as far as the t1 frigs he can fly), and I'll be able to save him a lot of frustration by teaching him common pitfalls (how to navigate nullsec for example)


Have him take an Agony PvP-Basic Class.... It's exposes him to beginner PvP concepts, and culminates in a large frigate roam through nullsec.... Our next class is a 2-day event on Feb 15&16 (20:00 EvE Time).... He, and you, can read about it here, and if you have any questions please feel free to msg me...

Ask around, Agony has a solid reputation. Additionally, our course material is open to the public... and is a good place for PvP info...



Confirming Agony's reputation and also confirm that the Agony BASIC class is a great thing to follow for a new to PvP player.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#7 - 2013-02-08 23:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mizhir
RVB is still going strong but remember 2 things:
1. We are not a teaching service like EVE-Uni. While we have plenty of players who wants to help new players we do not run any classes like EVE-Uni. Newer players are expected to take responsability for themselves and must be able to seek out knowledge of their own.
2. RVB will cost you ISK while limiting the ways of earning it. If he does not have any ways to keep the wallet full he will soon run out of isk.

Edit: saw that you were keeping his wallet full, then RVB is no problem.

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L'ill Raskal
Niflhelm
#8 - 2013-02-09 00:49:51 UTC
Hi there,

I personally have found RvB the way to go for PvP learning. As you can see I'm a pretty new PvP player and although, as stated above, there is no actual "training" programme, RvB offers something much more valuable.... first hand experience. I can only fly T1 frigates at the moment (Rifters) but I've never had so much fun. The FCing is excellent in my opinion and as long as your willing to ask questions, their is always someone there to help (especially in the Noob Chat section of RvB). They have extensive ship fits available to look at and the fleet compostions are mostly T1 cruiser down. Although only a Rifter pilot I still feel very involved in fleet combat as the call is always out for "tacklers".

I fly cheap and expect to get blown up Shocked but I'm learning from each engagement. The good thing with RvB is, theres always a fight to be had....

Just to confirm one other thing, you do need a good Isk supply from somewhere (I personally have another Char that feeds me isk from P.I and other activities)

In conclusion RvB is working for me and I think it should definately be in your consideration...

L'ill Raskal

"Common sense is not so common" Voltaire
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-09 00:53:39 UTC
Personally no experience with FW so can't give an opinion on that.

But I have been in null-sec and have an alt in RvB.

And if you just want to join a corporation for the sake of being able to PvP.

I say go for RvB. With most null-sec alliance, there is also a lot of diplomatic stuff going on in the background and this may limit the amounts of fights you can get.

RvB however has little rules, no politics and lots and lots of fights.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-09 04:12:29 UTC
I got a friend into PvP years ago, he still plays. I ganked him Cool

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Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#11 - 2013-02-09 12:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Nullsec would probably be the wrong choice, unless you just want him to learn about pushing F1. Null is a big place, and I'm sure that there are exceptions to the rule, but generally it isn't a great place for people who like to think for themselves.

RvB is a fine place to get started. Great for learning how to fly and manage modules and overheat, but their form of PvP is somewhat contrived and repetitive, and they deliberately forbid many valid tactics in the interest of making sure that the other guys don't get all butthurt when they lose.

FW I have never done, but there is definitely potential for good fights there. I roam through the FW areas with my corp sometimes and get lots of fights with newbs in dessies and frigates. Great way to learn, but if you aren't actually enrolled in FW your sec status will take the hit. I'd suggest that if you go this way, get him in a good, new player friendly FW corp (perhaps Fweddit), rather than just joining the NPC militia.

The other good option is to get him into Brave Newbies, Inc. It is a brand new corp of, like 500 players, who go out in low and null and throw their Rifters and Thrashers into every fight they can find. They have no real idea what they are doing, but whatever it is, they are doing it right, and I expect they will learn quickly.

Or if he wants to go full pirate and learn to murder and steal, look me up...

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