Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fly Slasher regularly (even before tiericide).
It is just so that the Slasher now is quite damn useful. It is swift, it aligns fast, has high scan res, 4 medslots <-- that alone is nice. Even more fun as a pesky scout, and you're not scaring people away because you were flying a Claw or Stiletto. So somewhere, Slasher is indeed a nifty T1 inty. Not the best, but it surely has its merits.


What I hate about tiericide is that it did not really help THAT much but more just handed the Ship-of-the-Month trophy to a different ship - not always, but that's usually the case. Certain ships are useful now, but others just went redheaded stepchild - dramatized, but I think some will agree. Excluding me, there were several actually decent suggestions to every ship by other forumgoers, but in the end, it went down.

Whatever. Slasher is a tackler, so ACs are there to shoot down drones in many cases. I do, at the very least.


As for this BC topic, this is why I'm a bit mouthy and annoying about it, because I don't want to see ships fall further back. I want to see other ships on the field after all this tiericide stuff and not just "Oh great, another Drake/Naga/Hurri/Tornado fleet". Literally, we got too much Jack-of-AAALLL-Trades in various cases.

Unfortunately, it usually has to do with everybody just screaming "I want more dps, because... *math* x *theorycraft*"
Would be more interesting if the damage bonuses would just be applied to all turrets/missile bays so that you have an extra bonus slot for something else cool.
Seriously, things like Rupture or Hurricane or Tornado are just that "great" because they got the Dmg + RoF or MegaDmg + Range. Makes sence to do such in real life, but in the game, I don't know. That is just the Minmatar point of view, but there are other examples for the other factions as well.



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I like the drone stuff that was mentioned here. But here too, Drones need a bit of revamping too, along with special stuff, like having them be a bodyguard and swallow damage. But that's asking for too much.

Somewhere, if were about drones for these specific BCs, I'd say give them the chance to fit the extra drone module... but then we'd have fleets lagging the hell out of the game ._.

Benny Ohu,

I don't think I'm going to let you decide what I need to "get over" today, but thanks for your comments. There is apparently a schism between EvE lore and ESTABLISHED THEMATIC GAMEPLAY. Ninety percent of the playerbase will no have idea what's been written but they do know what they've experienced in-game. What they've lived. As do I. These changes will affect my gameplay negatively, offend me, and I'm entitled to voice my opinions about that - since thats why the forums exist. You guys are just lucky I didnt know about this topic sooner because I don't feel even close to having complained enough yet.

The Amarr people are not (in-game) a drone race irrespective of what you think or what's been written and if my people have to suffer turning one of their most beautiful ships into something that will incentivize usage of their enemy's tech, I'm definately not going to "get over it" until it is forced upon me kicking and screaming.

If each race had to suffer the same changes, I still wouldn't like it, but I could live with it. It would be fair. But that didn't happen. So now I'm here to advocate for spreading that sweet love equally.

Drone drakes for everyone.

Why not?

What's good for the goose...

YK

I can count the number of Amarr ships with drone bonuses on one hand.

I'll have fingers left over.

Maybe I just can't count.

YK

l2r

look imma not meaning to be a prick here

at first i was posting what i knew of the lore because you were on about blasphemy or something I figgured you were into that

but it's becoming clear you're talking in game terms and i did post about that as well

i think this is a misunderstanding based on this: that the intended 'drone' part of the amarr doctrine has been poorly executed in the game up until now and because the drone part of their ships never really got a chance to display itself it's affected how people see them - as a laser-only race

cal are getting hybrid ships that work, minnies missiles that work, amarr drones and gal hybrids, parts of their doctrines that didn't work properly but were intended

You can count but you seem unwilling to actually read Eve universe back story and realize your opinion about Amarr and drones is false.

You don't like it, it's quite clear for everyone as it is quite clear for everyone you have some issues to understand what we're talking about.

I don't really want to come across as a prick either but I don't write on the forums with any consideration of how my comments will be received. I only care about the issue at hand. (I'm a nice guy actually who laughs pretty much all day.) I also don't write often and don't write about things of which I know nothing. But when I do, I defend my pov like a mad dog and won't let go. We are all passionate about the game or else we wouldn't bother commenting at all.

I just fail to see what drone bays have to do with anything. All races have drone bays of varying sizes. All races also have cargo bays of varying sizes but no one is claiming that ships with larger than average cargo bays are Industrials. The bonuses seal the deal and where drones are concerned, the Amarr have few. People can cite backstory all day but that is a separate issue entirely from established gameplay. Lore =/= gameplay.

When I learned of the changes to the Prophecy, I was sitting in one. I was also training Yonis toward being able to pilot both a Damnation and an Absolution - mainly because they are Prophecy hulls. I couldn't care less how long that takes - for me, asthetics matter. That's what I want to fly. It's the entire reason I've been an Amarr character for so long. I'm in love with the look of their tech. When I mine, I do so in a system that I chose (through years of searching) not because of its resources but mainly because I find the system absolutely beautiful and could stare at that glorious vista forever. My point is that I'm not trying to win anything.

I've spent the past five years hating drones and believing that they were the purvue of my enemy. The word "drone" is practically synonymous with Gallente. So the idea that I'm now a "drone race" too seems preposterous. My reading comprehension is just fine. It's like being told you have cancer. Give me a break. I'm still in shock. I am also, most definately, not over it.

I've trained drone skills like everyone else - to defend a mining barge from rats or a BS from frigates - but not as a real tactical necessity of my ships. The thought that this is the beginning of a trend is almost too much to bear. Amarr ships have always been focused on energy weapons and armor (and I consider neuts/vamps energy weapons - they just do it in reverse.)

CCP knew this change was going to be controversial and they were correct. For me, this is game-changing. After despising drones for so long, I can barely stomach the idea of the Amarr being a drone race. So if I react poorly to comments like "get over it" and "l2r" well, I apologize for that. I'm well aware that the release of 1.1 is so close that nothing I write or do here will have any impact on that timeline whatsoever.

I just feel so strongly about the issue that I want to make sure my objections have been heard loud and clear. Opinions vary and others are welcome to disagree.

Thanks for reading.

Yonis Kador

Would depend on the actual fitting requirements, but looking at the Brutix, loosing 1 Turret will help the PG requirement as well as cap. If you run a buffer tanked Brutix and the AAR fits in the extra lowslot u do not lose any buffer , but might increase your tanking ability for a short while till logi reps come in; if primaried the additional rep amount might actually help too even if logi support is working. If fitting is tight, downgrading to a 800mm plate would improve your agility and speed, while maintaining enough buffer to survive some alpha damage. You can have more overall buffer or DPS if you do not use an AAR. but the Armor Rep bonus might become more usefull depending on the exact details.

I always thought the main advantage of lasers is full damage at optimal range with the best range but missiles seem better at both now doesn't seem balanced to me afterall falloff means nothing on laser ships

In relation to the myrmidon with its current bonus it surely limits its optimal fighting style to the same as the brutix blasters and active reps whereas if you look at the vexor it can quite happily use either armour buffer/active or shield buffer/ASB with either blasters or rails.