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the exclusive club of sov space...is it ?
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Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
#41 - 2013-02-05 16:30:26 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Shanara As wrote:

a single system could / can be taken and defended by a very small group of people. assuming you can prevent someone jumpng in and lighting a cyno.

Please tell me more of your vast knowledge



misconception on my side. i forgot normal fleets could just jump through the gates :-)

i sincerely apoogize.

but the mechanical aspect of "taking a system" could potentialyl be done by a one man corp / allinace as its only needed to bring
SBU´s or / then TCU.. so in a fantasy dream world it is doable by one lonely golddigger out in no man´s space...

of course reality says otherwise and i know that.

the fighting that usually goes on in order to do so (or prevent it) is merely added on "game value"

"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn´t wanna listen, talks the most"
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-02-05 16:31:10 UTC
0.0 isn't for your "small corp or alliance" though

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2013-02-05 16:32:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
0.0 isn't for your "small corp or alliance" though

Make smaller better.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-02-05 16:33:51 UTC
Shanara As wrote:


what you are saying is that sov is broken and the "good ones", the people playing eve for the fun and real pew pew (not F1-lemmings) don´t give a rats arse about sov anyways ?

Yes.
If sov is so good ask a lot of vets why they ended up giving up on it.

Shanara As wrote:

i know of the drawbacks regarding sov space but that they are soo immense and that so many players feel the exact same way is hard to believe....

Most of the big alliances are always recruiting - they need a stream of new players to replace those jaded with F1'ing in the laggy blobs.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2013-02-05 16:34:04 UTC
Shanara As wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Shanara As wrote:

a single system could / can be taken and defended by a very small group of people. assuming you can prevent someone jumpng in and lighting a cyno.

Please tell me more of your vast knowledge



misconception on my side. i forgot normal fleets could just jump through the gates :-)

i sincerely apoogize.

but the mechanical aspect of "taking a system" could potentialyl be done by a one man corp / allinace as its only needed to bring
SBU´s or / then TCU.. so in a fantasy dream world it is doable by one lonely golddigger out in no man´s space...

of course reality says otherwise and i know that.

the fighting that usually goes on in order to do so (or prevent it) is merely added on "game value"

You have to shoot station and ihub as well. If shields on structures regenerate, perhaps you'd have to use an easily hotdroppable ship...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#46 - 2013-02-05 16:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ka'Narlist
Shanara As wrote:
[quote=Ka'Narlist][quote=Shanara As]
but the mechanical aspect of "taking a system" could potentialyl be done by a one man corp / allinace as its only needed to bring
SBU´s or / then TCU.. so in a fantasy dream world it is doable by one lonely golddigger out in no man´s space...

of course reality says otherwise and i know that.

Yes and theoretically a one man corp can also take down all those tech or neo moon towers and place its own there to get rich beyond any measure.
But in reality this won't work, so I don't get your point.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2013-02-05 16:34:54 UTC
S'Way wrote:
Shanara As wrote:

i know of the drawbacks regarding sov space but that they are soo immense and that so many players feel the exact same way is hard to believe....

Most of the big alliances are always recruiting - they need a stream of new players to replace those jaded with F1'ing in the laggy blobs.

Definitely, more newbies on the way !! Look forward to their t1 frigate tackling and webbing you, or perhaps their t1 cruiser lowering your targeting range.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2013-02-05 16:35:27 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Yes and theoretically a one man corp can also take down all those tech or neo moon towers and place its own there to get rich beyond any measure.
But in reality this won't work, so I don't get you point.

Theoretically, you could win EVE, but everyone here on the forums is losing really badly.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-05 16:36:43 UTC
you see, sov 0.0 isn't supposed to cater to your risk-averse, asocial playstyle, nor is it supposed to put 10 man corps on equal footing with empires

0.0 is for empires, not 10-man corps looking to ~stake their claim~

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#50 - 2013-02-05 16:42:29 UTC
Carebear here. Add a mechanic where corporations of the alliances have control over a system and its sovereignty and when they split from the alliance and join a new one the sov gets transferred. So it won't be only structure grinding and supüer blobbing that can change sov but also political intrigue and instability.

Of course that would require a more complex sov structuring and proper motivation to split the alliance control with the member corps and not just create a huge giga corp that takes the sov responsibilities. Something about risk/reward.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#51 - 2013-02-05 16:44:44 UTC
I agree in the most part, it's extremely difficult for small corporations and alliances to gain sov over space, especially these days. That being said, i'm a strong believer in "anything is possible if you put your mind to it", so over time and with enough effort and help of like-minded individuals, it could be possible to gain sov. Just would be extremely difficult. Cool

When we first started out, we wanted to own sov, so we threw ourselves in with various null alliances. But its not the same, just joining an existing group. You're just a nobody cog in amongst a giant machine. Unless you're willing to be a very active contributing member, you'll likely not go far up the ranks. We soon got bored of a random politics, hassle and constant CTAs.

I believe wormhole space is the last true bastion for small corps and alliances. You only get a single system, but its yours to call home. As long as you can stop someone taking it from you that is. P

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2013-02-05 16:53:36 UTC
Might I remind you all that chrib managed to get sov for his one man alliance and hold it for quite some time
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#53 - 2013-02-05 16:55:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Might I remind you all that chrib managed to get sov for his one man alliance and hold it for quite some time

And he's probably the only player in EVE that can summon a spontaneous fleet of volunteers to defend his system. Bear

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-02-05 17:14:08 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Might I remind you all that chrib managed to get sov for his one man alliance and hold it for quite some time

And he's probably the only player in EVE that can summon a spontaneous fleet of volunteers to defend his system. Bear


And that's just down to him putting in his effort and time.
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#55 - 2013-02-05 17:26:40 UTC
Always amused by these threads.

It's like telling a small business to just become a billion dollar multinational corporation if it wants to compete with them. If they can't do that, then they're just bad at business, right?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#56 - 2013-02-05 17:30:57 UTC
Theres lots of small dudes that live, love, fight and die in 0.0 but dont belong to any big group. in npc Venal, Outer Ring, Pure Blind, Syndicate, Fountain, Stain and Delve. Sure they dont have sov but there isnt really much of a benefit to sov right now besides creating defensible positions.

New Eden is your oyster, take it.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#57 - 2013-02-05 17:32:27 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Always amused by these threads.

It's like telling a small business to just become a billion dollar multinational corporation if it wants to compete with them. If they can't do that, then they're just bad at business, right?


Yes.

If you decide to create a small business that produces a product or service that a huge multi-billion dollar corporation already produces better and cheaper than you can, you deserve to get stomped out of existence. Small businesses should stick to doing things they can do better than the "big boys" can.

This is hard to understand why?
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-02-05 17:37:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
you see, sov 0.0 isn't supposed to cater to your risk-averse, ...



Nerf local.

No?
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-02-05 17:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Wodensun
Its all about the ISK...

Nothing more, nothing less, Mittens, Shadoo, G.W. Bush ect are all maintaining the status quo because it fills their pockets with I$K.
This is the real reason half of 0.0 is a blue ball and as a lil nemo you simply dont warrant the attention nor do you generate income.

Deals regarding Sov are made in smoke filled backrooms on some jabber server, you know the type.
And Time and Effort mean very little, as soon as you threaten the profit margins of a 0.0 coalition your going to get stomped out.

But.. empires rise and fall, history is prove of that and one day you may find yourself in the position to become the next great leader.

ps, Did somebody see my tinfoil hat? I'm getting a lil paranoid here....

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#60 - 2013-02-05 17:42:06 UTC
Hooray for 'Nerf the Big Blue Blob' threads!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?