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Missile Based Lvl 4 Mission Ship
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Mr Ignitious
Lifeline Industries
#1 - 2013-02-03 18:54:09 UTC
So I've been gone from the game for some time, but I'm back now and I need to make some iskies. I can fly all ships barring t2 battleships. In the past I remember caldari boats being the go to pve option and I think my best bet is to go with a tengu or a nighthawk for level 4's. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what to use and how to fit it. I would like to clear missions quickly as opposed to tank it to death (like I used to with my slow ass dominix).

If I can keep the cost below 4-500m that would be spectacular. Thanks for the help guys =D
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-03 18:57:08 UTC
Raven.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Orlacc
#3 - 2013-02-03 18:58:24 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Raven.



With your budget this will do the trick.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-03 19:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
I agree with the raven assessment for cost, but if you REALLY want to tengu, this fit still works well as a base plate - adjust per cost/skills as required.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html


Edit: I see it reads as if you have solid gallente skills too. Again, budget is out but consider a rattler - with the new DDA's and MJD they are hilarious. Although the jury is out on if the MJD can stay that good (IMHO) - It's trivialising many missions for drone hulls & sentries.
Hornet2060
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-03 19:07:11 UTC
T2 tengu is probably the better . Lower sig and faster maneuverability. I don't know if that fits into the budget, but I have run several of level 4's in mine. Raven or raven navy is a good ship though.
Mr Ignitious
Lifeline Industries
#6 - 2013-02-03 19:33:20 UTC
Thank you for the quick responses guys. Raven it is! What sort of isk/hour should I be aiming for?
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#7 - 2013-02-03 19:51:27 UTC
Imo, HML Tengu is obsolete after last expansion. HAMGu is the way to go now for that hull.
Canthan Rogue
Special law enforcement department
Fraternity.
#8 - 2013-02-03 23:27:33 UTC
Cool, as a new drake pilot with 2m sp looking for a battleship to train into, I was just about to ask the same question as OP. From what I've read though, the Raven is a very PvE oriented battleship, which seems to make it unsuitable for venturing into PvE areas in low sec. How does the raven compare against other battleships that can both PvE and PvP like the dominix, megathron or abaddon?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-03 23:33:05 UTC
Canthan Rogue wrote:
Cool, as a new drake pilot with 2m sp looking for a battleship to train into, I was just about to ask the same question as OP. From what I've read though, the Raven is a very PvE oriented battleship, which seems to make it unsuitable for venturing into PvE areas in low sec. How does the raven compare against other battleships that can both PvE and PvP like the dominix, megathron or abaddon?

PVE in low sec? Bring friends, that is why you are in player corp in the first place.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Canthan Rogue
Special law enforcement department
Fraternity.
#10 - 2013-02-03 23:42:18 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Canthan Rogue wrote:
Cool, as a new drake pilot with 2m sp looking for a battleship to train into, I was just about to ask the same question as OP. From what I've read though, the Raven is a very PvE oriented battleship, which seems to make it unsuitable for venturing into PvE areas in low sec. How does the raven compare against other battleships that can both PvE and PvP like the dominix, megathron or abaddon?

PVE in low sec? Bring friends, that is why you are in player corp in the first place.


Yeah I understand that, I never said I was going into lowsec alone. I was just asking whether a group of ravens would be more susceptible to a low sec gank than a group of other battleships with better PvP capabilities, and whether the raven is sufficiently better at PvE to justify using anyway.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-03 23:49:33 UTC
Canthan Rogue wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Canthan Rogue wrote:
Cool, as a new drake pilot with 2m sp looking for a battleship to train into, I was just about to ask the same question as OP. From what I've read though, the Raven is a very PvE oriented battleship, which seems to make it unsuitable for venturing into PvE areas in low sec. How does the raven compare against other battleships that can both PvE and PvP like the dominix, megathron or abaddon?

PVE in low sec? Bring friends, that is why you are in player corp in the first place.


Yeah I understand that, I never said I was going into lowsec alone. I was just asking whether a group of ravens would be more susceptible to a low sec gank than a group of other battleships with better PvP capabilities, and whether the raven is sufficiently better at PvE to justify using anyway.

There is no golden bullet. I can see a bunch of ac boats setup for pvp slaughtering your gang of pve arti battleships.

So.
Either you plan on pvp. Or you plan on pve and run to station when confronted with pvp. Focus on what you want to do.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Canthan Rogue
Special law enforcement department
Fraternity.
#12 - 2013-02-04 00:54:59 UTC
Ok I guess I'll still get a raven then, and train for another battleship when required.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#13 - 2013-02-04 04:46:24 UTC
Seeing as you said missile based, CNR is your best bet

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Mad0ne
Kosmosemutid
#14 - 2013-02-04 07:47:32 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Imo, HML Tengu is obsolete after last expansion. HAMGu is the way to go now for that hull.



HML Tengu is still good ship, especially if you are lazy and cant be arsed to fiddle with different type of resists all the time.

Once any dps gets over 600-700 and dmg application is good then there is really really small difference in mission completion times if you push it further.
Couple of minutes here or there is noting.

Also HAM tengu is reallllly great on paper and even with max rigs, hitting 1000 dps over 30 km is... meh. I am personally so lazy that I just hate chasing rats around.

HAM ammo is also so expensive that in random extravaganza mission you can waste 3-4 mil isk on ammo itself.


proper CNR or Golem > Tengu anytime today. If properly fitted and tanked.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-04 08:06:02 UTC
Mr Ignitious wrote:
Thank you for the quick responses guys. Raven it is! What sort of isk/hour should I be aiming for?


Been a while since I rolled in a raven, so this is possibly a little dated but:

It's decent but not great - don't worry about all the people in the multi-billion hulls telling you its terribad Blink
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-02-04 08:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Whiite
Mr Ignitious wrote:
So I've been gone from the game for some time, but I'm back now and I need to make some iskies. I can fly all ships barring t2 battleships. In the past I remember caldari boats being the go to pve option and I think my best bet is to go with a tengu or a nighthawk for level 4's. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what to use and how to fit it. I would like to clear missions quickly as opposed to tank it to death (like I used to with my slow ass dominix).

If I can keep the cost below 4-500m that would be spectacular. Thanks for the help guys =D



Scorpion Navy Isue.

The hull it self is arround 300/400 mil isk. But you can start out with T2 it and work up from there.

- It has a better Tank

-Enough midslots to fit a couple of Target painters

- More Fitting space than a normal Raven,

- is better at hitting smaller targets, even better than an CNR.

Edit:

And it's a better low skill ship than the Raven and the CNR
Zaq Phelps
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-04 21:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaq Phelps
Basically this:

If it's a missile ship that's Caldari and t2 cruiser, t1 bc, t3, battleship, marauder, faction/pirate bs, then it will do lvl4's. Some ships are better than others, but it really all depends on how you run missions and your skills. Personally I like the torp golem, cnr, and HAMgu (with the tengu being my fotm).

Right now the fotm's in general are the pulse tanked rigor raven (solid as ever), HAM Tengu (since retribution buffed unguided missiles), sni(raven dps with rattler tank), and cnr (solid as the raven with more tank and dps, and cheap for a navy ship). Other fan favorites include the golem(another solid choice given recent torp buff), and rattler (massive tank and sentry dps with new drone mods - although drones are hard to manage now bc of the new ai)

NH is ok too, but it just can't compete for dps with a similarly priced rigor cnr, and it is easy to over tank.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#18 - 2013-02-05 10:30:38 UTC
Mad0ne wrote:
Shaotuk wrote:
Imo, HML Tengu is obsolete after last expansion. HAMGu is the way to go now for that hull.



HML Tengu is still good ship, especially if you are lazy and cant be arsed to fiddle with different type of resists all the time.

Once any dps gets over 600-700 and dmg application is good then there is really really small difference in mission completion times if you push it further.
Couple of minutes here or there is noting.

Also HAM tengu is reallllly great on paper and even with max rigs, hitting 1000 dps over 30 km is... meh. I am personally so lazy that I just hate chasing rats around.

HAM ammo is also so expensive that in random extravaganza mission you can waste 3-4 mil isk on ammo itself.


proper CNR or Golem > Tengu anytime today. If properly fitted and tanked.


I don't know about Golem, but a proper CNR cannot compete with a Tengu. The tengu is faster (no slowboating anymore) has better damage projection, and with proper skills faction HAMS can reach nearly 40 km (same than the golem) Fit javelins (as you do in the Golem) in case you need more range.

The ammo bill is similar to the CNR if you compare the same ammo types (faction vs faction or T2 vs T2)

And most importantly, flying a HAMgu is a bit funnier than orbiting a wreck and pressing F1 all the time. Rat smashing is boring, but with a tengu is a bit less boring.