Player Features and Ideas Discussion

True but Meta 4 tends to have lower fitting requirements then meta 0 and equal effectiveness with Meta 5/T2 mods. It is probobly best to compare things with what is currently in game rather than what may come in the future. Not that I do not agree with your point.

Wiv

Hey Fozzie, I see that one of our points of contention about the change with the cyclone is that it is competing with the Drake to fill the same slot. Why not look at making it an armor tanked ship instead so that it fills a different role than the drake, sort of as an in your face brawler with hams and an armor buffer? Change out the boost bonus for armor rep or resists or anything really. I know it seems like it would hurt the Matari overall, but I feel like it would be more beneficial to the platform.

So when is either the Myrmidon or the Brutix losing its active rep bonus? I highly suggest the Myrmidon lose it's active rep bonus, otherwise you have 2 Drone boats with Bonuses to Drone Damage and Armor Tanking, which makes them overlap quite a bit.

More like when is the Myrmidon gonna be reverted into a viable ship? It sort of skirted the edge of viability before (you could go with either the triple-rep brawler fit or a surprise shield tanking setup) but now its down some high slots and still has god-awful agility (for god's sake, the Prophecy with one nano is more agile than a Myrm with two). So now you're stuck with a brick of a ship that can kind of tank things I guess (if the thing is a single opposing BC, for example) and does pretty mediocre damage in a format that's vulnerable to being exploded (hf when your drones get bombed or shot down). I guess it looks like an airfoil, which is cool?

v0v

Struggling to think of actual uses for the Myrm. As an active-tanked solo / small gang brawling ship it would need agility and speed to catch targets (which it hasn't got). As a fleet ship it's useless since it uses drones and has no buffer-tanking bonuses. Basically it's even more of a shitpile than it was before with pretty much zero redeeming qualities.

I don't think you should be entirely surprised by the poor mobility of BCs. After all, if you want a mobile T1 medium-weapon platform you should be flying a cruiser.

They use oversized weapons, so unless they magically grow medium weapon bonuses of some sort, they'll remain exactly what they are; dedicated snipers and gank wagons, which are useless against any target that is not either very large, very slow, or very far away. That is not the performance envelope for any other hull that has been assigned the "attack" role up to this point.

The prophecy need to have 125 drone bandwith to be useful as "droneboat" else it will just be one of em listed useless ships.

125 bw for heavy drones!

I'd like to see Brutix just loose this second bonus and get another mid slot instead. At least could get a decent shield tank pool and enough lows to to make it agile and ganky.

I'm still trying to figure out why my people would even commission a drone ship. After sleeping on it, the idea that the eagle of the Amarr fleet would be turned into a drone boat that will do max dmg when loaded with Gallente (my sworn enemy's) tech, still makes absolutely no sense. The idea that thousands of Prophecy BCs, a sleek predator that should swoop down upon its foes, will instead all be fat-assed bricks stuffed with Hobgoblins in a few days, will go down as one of my least-favorite developments in a very long time. It just blows my mind. I would be remiss if I didn't voice my complaints here before this travesty occurs.

YK

ok to wade in here as i usualy protect the cal pilots yes everyone im back to make your life hell on the forums.

few points to make on both the ferox and the drake.

1 why dose the ferox have a base lock range higher than the drake when we all know the drake will propabably out range it anyways.

2. why is the shielding on the drake being reduced if its gonna be effectively a space brick that can tank well but deal little dmg with the removal of a high launcher (witch i aint complaining about the lesser dps here)

3. why in gods name do we have all range setups ?

basicaly there my points and my thoughts are next.

it would seam more logical to allow the now space brick drake to be able to either tackle with high shields or to be able to ecceal at long range bombardment. if not both with the 100 km that damps can kick out to ( witch is a descusion for another time.)

secondly we have no real brawling lineup why not give the ferox a hybrid dmg bonus 1 cause of the damps ect and 2 so we can fit it with blasters and punch people in the face with it so to speack you see my point here.

that would give us both a long range bombardment ship and a very very close brawler. all you gotta do is add say another 500 shields onto the drake and change the bonus to the ferox as it stands now especialy with the naga fufilling the extream range and decent dps region.