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Quick Robin! Get out our tin foil hats! I sense a conspiracy theory approaching!

Mittens gets his groupies ... they turn out not to be quite what he hoped for ...

Sooo, just read through this. (Its a slow workday) Throughout this entire thread, I failed to see any actual legitimate points laid out showing the current CSM's supposed 'war on HighSec/WH'. Hell when it was asked of the OP to put said points on the table he/she just said "sorry I don't talk to fools".

C'mon now. Besides a nerf to ABC ores in WH and a more than likely nerf to HighSec Incursion payouts (sidnote: which is seriously needed. I do them myself and the payouts are just dumb for the risk involved), what "war" is there? This current CSM has lobbied for all sorts of referendums, not all of which are NullSec based.

Reading all of these threads I get it, HighSec pilots want more representation. Perfectly understandable and justified. What I don't understand is why we have to make :tinfoil: thread after thread calling for the current CSM to resign or be restructured. This whole Ice Interdiction has somehow got the general forum warrior into the mindset that because Goons shoot HighSec miners, they must inherently be trying to destroy HighSec. There's a small logical fallacy in that.

Last election CCP made it pretty damn clear that CSM voting had begun. The result is the current CSM before you. The fact that NullSec pilots have more organization than HighSec pilots should not be an excuse to arbitrarily change the system. Find a candidate, get organized, and push for him/her to get elected.

These threads are like Occupy Wall Street. Your overall message is you want representation, but its covered in :tinfoil: and generally silly posts.


And no, I'm not a Goon, and I don't hate HighSec. I'm just looking at this from an objective viewpoint.

See, the rest of your post is fine, but this is what I take issue with. If you don't vote, why do you get to point the finger saying you aren't represented.

As an aside, who is "getting frustrated and quitting" because of the CSM right now?

Seriously, I want to know. If you say people are getting frustrated because of the Interdiction, that's logical, but not because of this current CSM.

There's a disconnect here and I'm trying to address it.

You don't...


But what you see as disconnect, is actually me looking at it from a purely business perspective. I have been leading corporations and alliances in eve for almost 4 years now. One thing that I noticed a long time ago was it is VERY DIFFICULT to get people to log onto our corporate forums.

They just don't like doing it and damned if I know why...


Also:

1. Only a certain % read the Alliance mails on a regular basis.
2. There are always people who missed that "Wardec Mail" and need to be reminded
3. There are always people asking "what ship should I bring/fit" even though they have been told 50 times.




So you see... EVE is filled with these people. It does not matter what you or anyone else thinks about said individuals, because they are the ones who pay a vast portion of CCP's subscriptions. If you have a large and organized alliance manipulating votes YOU WILL HAVE BIAS towards certain aspects of the game play.


People will notice.
They have noticed.
They will/have gotten pissed...


Then they leave.
CCP will never ever EVER get Empire dwellers into null sec for any reason EVER. If they want their buisness to remain successful they must cater to the casual, non-voting and too complacent to read their EVE Mails (or vote for CSM masses) period and end of discussion.




So how do you collect data from them? well, it it sure as hell is not the CSM.
So again, read my sig.

I'm just quoting this for ******* posterity because now we've jumped the shark entirely. CCP must do what the lazy, non-hardcore masses want because they pay CCP's bills. The game should be designed around a group of people too lazy to vote for the very people representing them.

I seriously don't get it. I'm literally lost now, typing out a response as I come up with it. By that argument how does having a direct link between CCP and these 'people too lazy to even read mails' make sense?

Like... what? You're basically saying that because certain people in HighSec don't want to come out to Low/Null, Low/Null should therefore take a back seat when it comes to how this game is designed.

Are you serious? When was the last time you saw an advertisement for EVE about HighSec, mining, or running missions?

Answer: NEVER. They have almost all been about political intrigue, spying/scams, huge wars, and space pew pew.

There might be more people in HighSec, and I'm not saying you don't deserve representation, but HighSec does not inherently drive this game forward anymore than Null. You might have a larger percent of the playerbase there, but very few people joined up in EVE with stories of Mining Ops. They joined up with EVE because of the big, exciting stories, most of which occur in the dangerous parts of EVE.

This entire war between Null and Highsec is ludicrous. Both aspects of the game are important, but I disagree in thinking one is more important than the other.

Simple answer, yes.
CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.



EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world.


You don't matter and neither do I, only money matters.

Here is where you fail.... their game play is fun for them.
Not you, them.


People like you cannot understand that and that is one of the fundamental flaws of the CSM. Some people like to just run their damn missions, you don't and so you cannot understand that. I hate running missions, but i do understand that other people do not hate them. So although you may think yourself to be open minded... you're not actually as open and aware as you think yourself to be.

My point is in my sig and you can't read.


Wouldn't it be funny if a closed minded fool looked just like you, and not the person you were pointing your finger at?

No again, and here is why.

Demographics are gathered everywhere and they work. Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions and then act upon them, all on their own. A CSM is a shortcut to this goal, and it has not been working since it's inception. Even if the CSM says "CCP ignores us" which they do often enough... it is still not working.

You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias. You are acting like it is coming from me and me alone.




& finally, If CCP felt like they were not getting enough info then they could throw a dog a bone.
I bet even a lazy tool will fill out a form for 10M isk