Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You realize that the attack class of ships are defined by higher speed and agility with less tank and more gank right. Exactly what the tier 3 battlecruisers provide to the battlecruiser class.

You can also use most attack cruisers in the sniper role for instance 200mm rail thorax is a pretty effective sniper out to medium range. You do not see this much because the tier 3 battlecruisers just do it so much better. The tracking gained from medium long range weapons vs larges is not worth the damage lost.

Wiv

Having to use 3 powergrid rigs just to be able to fit what would be pretty much standard equipment kinda proves my point, don't you think? When's the last time you had to use 3 PG or CPU rigs to get a Drake fitted, Or a Cyclone. The Cyclone can easly fit LARGE booster, not medium, but large.

There should be a little more equality across the board. Why can most ships can fit the best guns and their designated buffer or tank according to their bonuses and basic stats, not to mention shield reppers can easily fit oversized modules going all the way up to XLarge boosters on a BC and especially on command ships if you're really feeling cheesy.... whereas other have to struggle to get their standard modules to fit.

Lets make all the races equally viable for once, people complain about EVE getting monotonous and a general blob fest of whatever is the most cost effective ship/fit in that certain expansion.... but at the same time we promode gross disparities between our 4 main races.

Caldari have Drakes and snipers, Minmatar have a decent ship in every sub-capital class, Amarr have Zealot, Oracle, Armaggedon, Apocalypse and Abaddon fleets.... But when's the last time you've actually seen a fleet of Gallente ships flying around, actually being cost effective vs similar numbers or organised oponents?

I can fly pretty much all subcap ships and weapon systems so it's not a "I want my side buffed" argument, It's more of a waking call. Only place i find decent gallente fleets is Serpentis space because of ratting, but even those guys dock and switch to oracles when they sense trouble.

Something has to be done to bring gallente up to par. "oh, they have the bigged dps" doesn't cut it when they bearly deliver it.

He linked you a TQ fit that had none of the changes applied to it. It is irrelevant to the discussion. That being said you cannot really get an effective dual rep neutron Blaster fit on the Brutix. not without using a small cap booster and that is not enough for dual repairers. With Ions however you can get a pretty mean setup though I think you are right to ask for atleast enough power grid on the Brutix to be able to fit Neutrons while using 1 PG rig. Other ships have less problems when fitting the biggest guns and tank. It should require max fitting skills of course.

Wiv

Yeah, they're reducing the number of turrets from 7 to 6, but increasing the damage bonus from 5% per level to 10% per level, and reducing the PG need of MAR's by 20%. And despite reducing PG by 25, they're reducing PG need greatly by removing the need for another gun. I'd say all in all the Brutix is getting a nice buff. I'm not sure if it'll be where it needs to be, but it's definitely a buff.

Tried out the new Brutix. First some implants -

Genolution CA-1
Genolution CA-2
Surgical Strike 905
Medium Hybrid Damage 805 (fun fact - this is only 11m to 12m on TQ)
Motion Prediction 705

Now - I actually do have two clones set up this way on TQ for low sec combat. (except they have +4 attributes on slots 2, 3, and 5 and a 605 and 1005 for small and large hybrids as well.)

I was able to fit a Brutix as follows:

High:
Heavy Neutron II x 6
Small Neut II
Med:
10 MN Experimental MWD
Medium Electrochemical Cap Booster
Web II
Scram II
Low:
MAAR
Medium Vestment Accommodation Armor Repairer
EANM II
DC II
MFS II x 2
Rigs:
Armor Nanobot Accelerator
Armor Nano Pump
MACR

And a flight of T2 Valkyries.

The firepower was insane of course. 781 DPS with Null. 1061 DPS with Void. The tank I could not find a good fight to truly test it. Vangels... (why are these seeded anyways?) Large gangs.....

My first impressions - Firepower good. Tank questionable. Cap is a huge issue. I think most people will either do Ions, MAAR + MAR, one MFS and a medium cap booster. Or they will do Neutrons, a MAAR, two MFS and a small cap booster and just go for broke.

The above fit is ridiculous for all but low sec. I'd probably take off a MFS II and throw on another EANM II. It just didn't seem to have the same zip that the ASB offers. On the other hand it definitely took more abuse then a pure shield fit would.

These are in sisi stats with my skills so beware how eve calculates EHP differently then most popular fitting tools.

Brutix with neutrons and t2 800 mm plate gets 60000 EHP with dual web point microwarpdrive and about 780 DPS while going about 1000m/s with Armor honeycombing 5 and armor rigging 4 Meta 4 800mm plate gets you about 56000 EHP and a speed of roughly the same as the Ferox.

Ferox gets 60000 EHP with neutrons 1 large shield extender 2x invuln point microwarpdrive 725 dps and its speed is about 1038.

These stats make it seem like both ships are capable of fitting the biggest guns with class appropriate tank. Both ships can Downgrade guns and get better tanks be they bigger buffer tanks or Strong active tanks. Not to bad IMO. I am not sure how other battlecruisers fit into this comparison but these two are equal.

EDIT I just fit up an armor cane with a meta 4 1600 plate 425s microwarpdrive anc crurrent router and trimarks 581 dps and a 54000 ehp tank 0.o

Wiv

yeah because losing almost a million mass, gaining a tank slot and some extra fitting headroom is a nerf . . .

This. And the rest. But I'm totallly for its removal.

Invent other means for special tanking. ASB (and eventually AAR) just is not really that good for the long run. Seen that form in other games and it just tears down the gameplay over time.

Somewhere though, ASBs/AARs would be fine for the frigs classes.

The EFT warrior'ing is strong in this thread...

I'll simply point you to all of the other bc that can happily fit their largest weapon types with a full tank. This is about balancing the ships. For all bar a select few to be able to have a full fit without fitting mods/rigs is not balance.