Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are literally ********. True story.

Merlin; 5% Resists, 5% Damage
Moa; 5% Resists, 5% Damage
Ferox; 5% Resists, 10% Optimal Range


Kestrel; 10% Missile Velocity, 5% Damage
Caracal; 10% Missile Velocity, 5% RoF
Drake; 5% Resists, 5% Kinetic

Whodathunk that by using CCPs previous logic that simply making the Drake have a velocity bonus over the resists and keep the damage, while keeping a tank & damage bonus to hybrids, would infact fix alot of the issues. Crazy right? I mean your fantastic ability to shitpost with no proper idea of actual PvP or ship use is super fantastic awesome, but maybe try using *logic* to your arguments and you might get somewhere gg.

Oh, wait, is this the point where you go on about how "supa awsum" cruiser rails are and how the optimal range is the most awsum defining aspect of an otherwise useless ship?

Hey, pro tip, try coming up with a reason to keep the optimal range, do it, seriously, I can't wait to hear about your ability to tickle a target at 60km with 200 DPS and tank "a whole fleet of naggas" as you know, combining a range bonus for what is essentially an extra long range weapon system which is pretty ****** in itself with a tank bonus makes sense right. Right? Oh and please bring up the Rokh argument as battleship and cruiser weapons are the same with Large Rails being semi useful and Medium rails being the hilarious feather duster of weapon systems.

Do you actually play EvE? Serious question, as your infalliable logic about how these things work astounds me.


Oh hey, even did an edit to post like a scrublord and sign off with my name incase you didn't see in the left of the post who posted as that seems to be the thing the cool kids are doing.

- Con

A lot of the bonuses are in place in an attempt to make each ship in a crowded environment their own unique snowflake. The battlecruisers have to balance against each other. On top of that they can't obsolete or overshadow the work just done on the cruisers.

The Moa has a damage bonus and a shield resist bonus. It has the equivalent of 6.25 turrets vs. the Ferox's 7. It has a good tank but not at the Ferox's level. If you gave the Ferox the same damage bonus rather then the optimal - i.e. - what everyone is asking for- then you have a super Moa. What then, is the purpose of the Moa? There is also the question of whether or not the Ferox could actually apply Blaster damage being as cumbersome as it is. With neutrons, one tracking enhancer, and Null you can get 11km + 11km of optimal and falloff. That's pretty nice. The Moa at least can get some speed behind it. The Ferox? Not so much.

When you compare the Brutix to the Ferox you get another favorable comparison - 9 effective turrets vs. 7. The Brutix has to have it's tank and gank compete for the same slots. The Ferox does not. The Brutix edges ahead with damage but the Ferox has range on it. It's a nice comparison.

The Brutix still has a tanking bonus because there isn't anything better for it. Tracking? We would then be comparing it to the Talos or Thorax. Falloff? The current and future Deimos might not like that.

What about the Drake keeping it's shield resist bonus? The caracal. It's bonuses are for velocity and a general 5% damage bonus. That's where most people would like to see the Drake go. That would dwarf the caracal.

The end result of all this balancing is there are awkard angles that will never quite fit. Naga vs. Ferox. Drake vs. Ferox. Etc. Etc.

Y'know what? You can just take your logic and common sense and go #$^& the hell off. That shiite has no place here on EvE Forums! This is a place for PvEing beard-strokers to wax poetic about things they know nothing about, or for diehard XXXhardcore PvPers to throw tantrums about not getting a new pwnmobile. So get a clue and get your shitte together... or GTFO!

I have hope that medium rails will be looked at soon and be brought into line (possibly to be followed by beam lasers). When that happens that will add even more versatility to the Ferox and perhaps give us a real reason to occasionally choose a rail Ferox over a rail Naga for certain situations.

(I'm not dissing what has already been done with rails in general. Other than the mediums they are in pretty good shape, but mediums are a tough one.)

Its long range ammo on short range guns + TE's that overpowered.

1. New players will be at even harder disadvantage using Drake. It requires BC II to operate which will give +20% to kinetic damage. Difference between +20% and +50% is too huge to ignore, hence flying Drake will require BC 5.
2. Kinetic damage will be 1.5x times higher than other damage types. I think this is dangerously close to Stealth Bomber territory where you are forced to use 1 single damage type under any circumstances. Drake will loose last remains of flexibility.
3. Caldari will become the only race without battlecruiser that can change damage type for PvE.

All of those factors have been considered yes.

The stronger focus on kinetic damage is a nerf to the ship but considering how strong it is in dps and tank I believe that it will still be competitive. Note that the Condor shares the 10% kinetic bonus per level and I don't think anyone can argue that it is crippled as a result.

The higher damage bonus does give a stronger benefit from training, but the dps gap between skill levels on the Drake is still lower than it is on the Hurricane/Rupture/Tempest.

Only in giant fleets does the drake have any meaningful impact. On the small scale its pretty lacklustre. After these changes it will be more fair on a large scale but be less useful on a small scale. I think that's fine, however it doesnt need any more nerfing than what has been proposed already.