Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the impending implementation of 'dueling rights' or whatever you want to call them, there is no longer any need to allow corp members to shoot each other freely in high sec/low sec without any consequence.
This removes the fear of awoxing that keeps some corps from expanding or inviting new members, and helps promote a more 'multiplayer' enviroment in Eve.
Ganking will obviously still be possible, there will be no magic protection, but there will also be no magic immunity from consequences either like there is currently. And Null, well, you can shoot anyone in Null.

Hopefully that sort of stuff is covered under fleet mechanics anyway, since if your friend was in a different corp, you would have that issue already.

I don't see how it really makes high sec 'safer' other than knowing that the new guy in your corp can't freely gank your 2 bil isk ship without any cost to himself. He can still do it via all the usual high sec mechanics.

And it opens up low/null to a lot more people. Which will get them out of that high sec you don't like.

Your 'system' also turns a whole lot of people off, and contributes to creating the feel of 'newbies' being second class citizens & unwelcome.
Unless you can somehow explain how removing AWOX'ing, which is reward with basically zero risk or cost for the AWOX'er.... is going to be detrimental?
It's not changing wars, it's not changing ganking, it's not changing any of that stuff. Just changing the, as Vlad put it 'Lame' mechanic of corp ganking.

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Saw that from Ctrl-Alt-Del. It is somehow appropriate to EVE style recruitment. It sounds better to me to build trust in humans than in systems.

Why does 0.0 need this exactly?


By and large it has its controls for awoxing. If partial to being a team killing tard....they'd best be able to move gear fast. Once the kicking process starts, when it hits the one undock after it is their last.

Become a real bad awoxer and while that kick is pending the word can get out that its open season on you.

And after the kick....an awoxer has real long walk out of alliance space.

And well in 0.0 said awoxer kind of has to pick targets carefully....generally a 0.0 person will fight back with what he has on hand. This can be real fun when a diplo fuxors up standings resets. Like one night the diplo's didn't do their job or we had bad ov bugs, because we had some crew in local blue to some but were grey to others. We were waiting for word from leadership about wtf is going on here, some of the bluets (I'll mix the 2 lol) fired first and it was on. Leadership wasn't happy but they weren't there to see the bluets go full tard. nuet, awoxer....meh, kill em all and let god sort em all lol.

The tl;dr....you awox in 0.0 bad things can happen unlike in empire. A few corps I was in this never an issue. Even had people nice enough to go out their way when a corpie bagged an officer spawn. You ask hey man I need some scouting home and you got it. A few jokes about maybe I'll jsut gank your ass...but you got the scout back home none the less. Not in a 0.0 home you can trust to do this, there are lots places to call home in 0.0 that will.

Corp vs own Corp combat was originally essential in order to allow training to occur, otherwise there was no way to test fits within your own corp. I'm pretty sure, though obviously we all aren't remote mind readers, that CCP never built the system deliberatly for AWOXing given it's a loop hole in all the other systems.
Their new consent for combat system will remove any need for a loop hole for this to occur, meaning they can remove this crazy exception. Since there is no way to ever block a smart AWOXer since they can just create new alts and train them for a little to do this. You simply can't protect against awoxing. And I fail to see how it makes Eve 'interesting'. Knowing you can be ganked, sure, thats interesting. Knowing some guy can decide to gank your 2 Bil ship and he gets no punishment or risk at all, gets all that loot, and gets to just skip off into the sunset transfering all the proceeds to his main that you can never trace? Thats not interesting.

What did you lose?

The way it is, and the way people are defending it, is pretty entertaining to me.

The whole system seems like an afterthought and a cheap way to "make people think twice before recruiting anybody". And even gives incentive for people to try and awox just because of the way the mechanic is designed.

One of the numerious mechanics that people claim makes EVE hardcore, but to any 3rd party, that hardcore aspect just seems like a cheap rule that people can take advantage of.

I really wouldn't be surprised if CCP changed it further down the road with the way things are going.


Really should stress that I don't hate the mechanic or wish it gone, I just find it simply amusing.

its not the cheap rule they are taking advantage of, its the stupid ppl that let them in that are being taken advantage of. and if that makes the stupid ppl hate the game and leave, then what a fantastic mechanic.

what is taking advantage of this rule is: testing eachothers fits, kill mail whoring, scramming buddies when they DC, vamping buddies for less cap intensive transfers, quick warping with webs and accidentally shooting brosefs during chaotic engagements