EVE General Discussion

I don't care what the problem was, 10% TiDi was unacceptable. You can argue all you want, you can come up with excuses all you want but that fight was completely ridiculous. Hell it took a good 3 minutes just to pod someone and I was within 3km and in a rifter; there was no reason for me to have taken 3 minutes just to pod someone. Sure random 3000+ battles rarely if ever occur, but what's the point and where is the fun in doing so when it's nearly impossible to begin with? This game has just shown that it can't handle massive battles randomly. I don't see a point in having the ability for massive warfare when their servers can't even handle it.

Again 10% TiDi is unacceptable, no matter what. I don't care if Jita has it's own node, I don't care about the excuses. We pay for a game to have fun. When there is finally a massive war, randomly, everything goes to ****. We are paying customers and this whole fight was completely annoying and not even remotely fun. It needs to be addressed and fixed.

How many people are undocked and fighting in Jita on a daily basis?

Big surprise, a character docked up and station spinning puts less load on the server than one flying in space, shooting everything.

This was an MMO battle with 2800 participants and people are coming in here to complain?

CCP has done a ton of work in regards to performance, and the server infrastructure itself is very high end as far as MMO servers go. Lagless 3000 man fights just aren't going to happen, no matter how much people complain on the forums. It's simply not possible. Even the Jita "supernode" with the experimental CPU made for high frequency trading won't be able to go above 4-5k man battles. At the end of the day we're just going to have to wait for new hardware, and unfortunately instructions per clock isn't improving quickly for CPUs, so don't expect miracles any time soon.

Prettys ure the market is much easyer to handle than ships on grid tho.

From my understanding, the market is on a different server. Which is why when Jita gets super busy (and CCP's messed something up), the entire Forge region market slows down, not just Jita.

Market activity is a quite different kind of activity than PvP.

PvP requires changes to the state in the session.
Market Activity requires changes to global state. Which pretty much means database activity.

The PvP activity has to flow through the physics engine, which would be difficult to multithread.
Market activity /can't/ be threaded. Because everyone has to have, at the time an order is filled, the same state.

This is all pretty complex, really.

I believe however, as many have pointed out, that they should look into being able to freeze nodes, and move them onto a reinforced node. Many have pointed out issues that may arise, like people not being allowed to get into the system whilst this occurs, and other understandable arguements.

I'm not a programmer (yet) but it should be possible to freeze and transfer a system from one node to another. And there's also a way to negate any concerns of that kind so that the amount of disruption it causes is minimized.

The time a node switch takes should be dependent on the amount of information that needs to be transferred which can more or less be attributed to the amount of people in that system, and the level of activity. By doing the switch while tidi is increasing, and freezing the system whilst it has very little backlog, then it should be possible to preform such a switch within a few seconds.


IN regards to concerns of people jumping into the system and timings of such, I'd suggest that you were allowed to jump into the system, via cynos and gates, but holding them in limbo, until the system they're jumping into is back up, and delaying their jump into system in accordance with when they jumped into the system and when the system froze. So if gang A jumps in 10 seconds after the node freezes, they're made invulnerable in that system, and cloaked, or taken out of it and placed in a waiting room. then, ten seconds after the server resumes, they jump into that system which keeps "fairness" of a sort, in regards to when things should have been carried out and happened.

If they decide to do this, then I'm certain it's a ways off still, but the only other alternative to such a system would be to reinforce all null/lowsec nodes, which would probably cost quite a bit more in the long run.

It needs more stealth bomber pilots. All those capital fleet fights show one thing: massive amounts of Nyxs.

A few stealth bombers can wipe out all the fighters and fighter bombers of all the Nyxs in a single attack if they only target the cloud of fighters, which surrounded the Titans. In one quick strike would a whole lot of Nyxs become toothless.

This is apparently not happening very often and so we get to see those huge amount of Nyxs in every capital fleet fight with an infinite number of fighters and fighter bombers.

Of course, shooting bombs at your own Titans is not something everyone would dare doing.

Session changes cause lag. This is due to the teardown and setup of the characters. They're looking at an alternate method 'brain in a box' but it's not there yet.

Fleet warps also cause lag, as it has to work out all the little details for the fleet at once. They're improving it.

This event probably gave CCP Veritas (and others) lots of data to poke at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEJbwZCgNgU&t=1h15m25s

No bombs in lowsec.

Also when in 0.0 there are a lot of bubbles. Your idea isnt impossible, just very hard to pull off.