Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the past days I've been flying around in a rifter looking for some fun solo pvp. So far nothing. I do this a lot over all my time in eve but am always left with the same bitter taste.

The problems i have encountered are the same as always and much the same reasons i quit eve a few times through getting bored and frustrated. Thats not some threat just saying ti how it is.

From all my experiances in eve solo pvp it's the same issues over and over again, in differant forms but still much the same.

Blobfests.

Any solo or standard pvp player know exactly what I'm on about here. I'd say 50% of the time any engagement will or would have turned into a blobfest should you commit (I define blobfest by 3:1 ratio). Around 40% of the time it's a standard 2:1.. usualy involving some tard with a T2 ecm boat in both ratios. Some 5% is players who choose to 1v1 you since they feel confident their ship is superior and ussualy is. Other 5% is what i class as ''honorable solo pvp''. This is when 2 like minded people finaly get on the clock, the moons align. It's quite common to end up 3v1, unable to target anything then wonder why you play the game.

WH.

T3, just meh. And second, going solo in a WH realy hurts your ship setup for what is highly likely to be a blob anyway. Besides that, anybody living in a WH has home advantedge, They don't waste mod slots like you have to since they can pos jump to a full combat ship or have cov alt sitting safe on pos. Then theirs the fact that most people alone will sooner go cloak up and hide than come face you. And well, in WH if somebody does not want to be found, they damn well won't.

Low /nul sec gate camps.

These huge bane and massively dictate ship size i can take on a solo roam. It simply can't be anything bigger than a frig ;/. Typical example, today i was in rifter and jumped into a camp. I MWD to get back on gate but i was ofc locked webed, vamped of all cap in 2 seconds flat. Only just got out of there with 20% hull remaining. Theirs ofc better fitting to get out of camps (with combat fitting in cargo to station swap later) but on a double side camp thats just more isk loss. Another deterent in even trying anyting bigger than frig. Constant frig losses add up fast too.

I contemplate such ideas like joining another low/nul sec corp (blobfests on the whole) or joining WH corps ''what? you don't want to fly T3? wtf? kkbye now'' But Is not the real answer for me. It may make many people happy but it's not floating my boat and never did in the past. RVB was a possible option but it's not small scale and certainly is not solo. I know you can ask for duels but cmon?. Orginising a duel takes away 80% of the fun. You don't go stalking, looking for the target, trying to get in the position for engagement that most suites your ship/loadout. All that thrill is gone when you burn it down to that level orginising it.

I know most of you will say ''Not a solo game'' ''join a corp'' ''get good'' . The game is suited to your definition of enjoyment, lucky you.

Suggestion:

It's kinde like RVB, only a real NPC faction. The rules of engagement enforced in the faction offer + and - standing for your actions.

If you kill a player of the opposing faction completely alone, you gain reputation. However, if you have assistence in that kill from another person in your faction, any kinde assistence, even fleet boost, that second player will lose considerable standing. Say I'm killing somebody then some tard griefer in my faction jumps in for the final blow, punishing me too makes little sence as i can't control what other players will do.

Theirs also missions that can be done. Like, transport vital intel from A to B some top secret info in your cargo etc. Should an opposing faction player kill you, again solo, he will get reward for the kill and more reward for taking that intel back to his faction. You do get some reward should you complete the mission with added reward if you killed a player to defend the intel. Defence or attack kill on mission yields a little more than a none mission kill.

Also, for such missions the reward scale decreases with certain modules used. Like if You use cloaking device.. or stabs etc you lose alot of value from the mission. Perhaps your load out is locked untill you complete the misison to stop you swapping out once you get there.

Standard none mission kills follow the same princibles for items that would be considerd ''i don't wanne die''. This would include ecm jamming.

The standards of gain for what ship you field increase with the value of the ship (defined by the level it takes to train for such a ship). T1 frigs gain the least standing for getting kills, while the likes of a T2 or faction BS will get a lot more standing gain since you are risking far more to field such a vessel.

The negitave gain from stepping in on a battle would be severe enough that if you done it just a few times you'd wind up in negitave standing (regardless of how high you were) and kicked from the faction. The only way to get back into the faction is with very lengthy raising of the factions standings by doing standard L1 missions for your race.

The standings are tied into the rewards you can gain. Perhaps some faction style mods/ships that can only be used so long as you maintain X amount of standing for that paticular mod/ship. In turn, using the faction mod/ships also has slight increase to standing gains.

You would not get any standing gain for killing the same person more than once per month. It's obvious that people would use alts/friends to farm standing. Also, the entry level to join the faction could be quite high, like say you need to be at standard L4 kinde standings before you can apply. this can stop multiple low level alts from farming standing.

Also you can get medals for reaching kill goals and so forth, I want a medal.

Did you think ''i want a medal just for reading that''

Yeah they are simplifying the existing method of dueling, wich is fair enough.


I'm not saying solo pvp is extinct, but it's such a tiny chance of opertunity compared to regular pvp. You realy should have option and good opertunity to play as a solo piolit.

I've not long since joined the game again, and tbh.. the current lack of KB only goes to show how small the window is for solo pvp.. since this is all i've been trying to do past few days. If you can't get into a solo fight in 3 days.. with the most basic level ship then what do you think this says about eve or it's players mentalitys ''blob to win''

Please tell me what ship you are suppose to take solo to a 10 ship gate camp?...... Or a 2 v 1 vs thorax/black bird?. This is the frustration of eve.. if you are not the player in the blob, you are the player vs the blob. Both sides suck ass to be on (but seems most love to be in the blob....)

The kill board is empty becuase of this bs. And you are telling me to join FW wich is the same blob fest crap. Unless you ''hide'' in some plex like a tard.

And yes, i balieve their is a reason for ccp to add a feature. They have nul sec so peple wanting to fly the biggest of ships... can, with-ought law. They have WH so the people wanting to cruise around in their T3.. can, or explore. They have low sec so pirates who wanne gate camp people who can barely defend themselves... can, and feel cool for having a bounty. FW is basically nul sec blobs.. but everywhere.. and people love that ****. RVB, is nion the same thing is FW. None of this is aimed at solo pvp.

What you told me to do was similar to saying.. ''hey.. you wanne fly titan?... ok.. join a WH corp''.

HTFU?!? You're emotionally a 10-year-old who can't spell?

I am not counting the couple of guys that get 100 solo kills through station camping. I'm talking about solo fights as in roaming solo and killing things.

I agree on the fact that solo pvp is somewhere dead, but this is simply how CCP evolved the game. So in this case, I understand the OP's rant. Legit in many occasions.

Yes, there are other ships that are better for the job, but this goes against the freedom-of-choice principle we keep hearing about here and there - usually being advertised time and again.

Truth is that going solo is quite suicidal most of the time. 0.0 is a beehive in most cases; cross the line and you'll have white bloodcells swarming the gates in no time. Rifter is unfortunately "rather useless" now. Yes, yes, there will be the very few who will kill stuff with it but let's face it - that will be rare, especially now with the age of ASBs and other tanky fits. The only real advantage I saw so far on a Rifter vs Slasher is that the Rifter warps +3AU/s faster. *rubs baldy head* Hope I'm not confusing that one at least.

Most of 0.0 "pvp" now is about having the bigger blob, owning the other side by outnumbering masses and afterwards cheering how "professional" pvp'lers one is - all usually coming from the crowd that just fly whatever is T2 and most damaging.

That's the game though. Unfortunately, same mentality applies on forums too. The right to disagree is no problem, but the OP has a point. Just saying.

The other problem is that one is almost forced to fly a cloaky for a solo job. A recon or stealth bomber clearly have an advantage for solo play.

In the other news, there was that one reason why I had hope for the small weapons to deal more damage, so that they actually DO cause more than just a scratch on one's hull - or better yet, introducing ways of new damage models (like applying permanent dmg) for certain small turrets or whatever.

Hate to say this, OP, but you'll stumble upon deaf ears here too, imo. Soloing with a Rifter really will be difficult - and the "tiericide" on it actually brought nothing special.

In all honesty though, if you want to feel some solo pvp, you might want to try Planetside 2. it is free, it is really "massive" many times around and it is like Dust514.

The return of real "Solo-play" in eve will more likely only happen if there is a general switch on the mindset around how the game is right now. I'm speaking of things like Local Chat and all those itty-gritty topics that will make people rant and ramble for ages.

I have lived in low sec for over a year and i have died i think three times to static gatecamps.

They really aren't an issue if you know what you're doing.

You have the freedom of choice to eat your dinner with a hot soldering iron if you want. That doesn't mean a knife and fork wouldn't be less painful.

You are certainly right that beeing part of a blob fleet does not teach the pilot anything. But you are wrong on the other fronts.

1) Solo PVP is not dead, but its hard and indeed frustrating. It actually takes quite big amount of time (and ships) to master it.
At start you basically need to find a proper region where to operate, learn to assess which target you can engage and which you cannot etc.

2) Eve is not and in my opinion should not be about knigthly combat. As it is in the real world - fortune tends to favor the side with greater numbers, so deal with it and do try to engage supposingly lone Punisher in belt, while there are 10 of his corpmates around. On the other side go to low sec, find some of the more "respectable" pirate corp and suggest a duel - you will be surprised how often you will find someone interested.

3) To your proposals:

The NPC corp - it could be easilly abused for example by constantly killing your alt in enemy corp.

The PVP "missions" - certainly more interesting concept, but still how could you stop somebody else from interfering in those "missions"?
Might it be corp mates from the pilot who got that mission or absolutelly un aligned 3rd party.