Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The fact that there is nothing at all wrong with it pretty much guarantees they will shank it somehow, "because it's overused." I'm betting it will get a huge drone bay buff, lose the shield resist bonus in favor of ECM falloff and shield boost, and then be converted to a 4 missile / 4 turret high slot layout. It will also need to give up 500 powergrid and CPU, "to force you to make some compromises when fitting it."

I've never found, caught and destroyed a target solo or in a fleet just by pressing F-keys. It might happen in null, where the strategic and tactical gameplay takes place on a fleet level. You could try leading an alliance war campaign if you don't like being a grunt. I'm very happy sneaking in wormholes, or zooming around lowsec, ty.

Nothing really forces you to advance this imaginary ladder of ships of yours. Many pilots never fly anything bigger than cruisers, or dedicate themselves completely to frigs.

Back to topic, battleships is a nice example in this context- tier 2 BCs were so good, that they have nearly obsoleted battleships from many areas of New Eden.

I didn't compare good pilots with bad pilots - I said tier 3 battlecruisers give good pilots more "win" than most other ships give a good pilot. Ofcourse bad pilots will fail horrible and repeatedly trying to pull off the same things... I'd like to see them becoming stronger for newer players and weaker for experienced players. Definitely a speed nerf will help this a lot.

And yes except for only having 6 medslots the Rokh is nice due to the resist bonus and blasters with an optimal bonus should never be under estimated. However the Rokh only really shines in numbers or endurance with dual ASB setups. I agree Raven need a lot more focus, but I still think Rokh would be much cooler without being overpowered if it had a damage bonus. For sure you dont need a range bonus as a railboat because rails are already the longest ranged gunnery weapon. And Naga is much better sniper anyway doing 25% more alpha with a smaller target signature and much better velocity and agility while it doesn't really need the extra range for anything.

All this said I'd really like to get the last points of the battlecruisers adressed before moving on though. Harbinger really need the resist bonus from Prophecy because it has only 6 lowslots and a laser cap bonus is pretty mehh these days. The Prophecy really need a bonus towards laser guns to be more attractive than being a 7 lowslot and resist baitship with autocannons because drones doesn't care about what guns and it doesn't have bonus for them anyway.

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so you don't activate guns by clicking or pressing F keys or whatever you mapped it to? sorcery and witchcraft!
done wormholes, the daily respawn thing got old and most i´ve found have been uninhabited and generally not worth running for "fun", low sec i´ve been in plenty, in the end though it still amounts to shooting ships with your ship, hence lack of anything new, like actual fun exploration or missions that somehow progress or provide a challenge, or perhaps immersion of some form and maybe have reasons to shoot other players besides the red minus stuff, and i´m not talking that silly faction warfare that's about as uninspired as null sec territorial pissing.

nothing forces us to advance? what? skill ladder. look at it.
and i agree, plenty of the battleships just aren't worth a damn compared to the BCs at certain roles, however these changes just make the BCs worse than those battleships, without trying to address the greater issue, which is some ships are plain useless or obselete due to past "rebalances" that ruined them. i prefer to call it scale tilting, not rebalancing.

you mean stuff like making rep drone rings to entertain myself? it's all fine and fair, but we can only work with what we´re given to a certain point.
and no, it doesn't, however i doubt people sit static at frigs or cruisers for their entire in game life, rather those might be the prefered "fun" classes, as i have destroyers as mine, but it's not a reach that point and stop thing.
and this is my point, the rebalance makes them all less than what they could have been, namely a fun step up from cruisers, but not a battleship. a better class rename with these stats would be "heavy cruiser". see the post refering to the prophecy being another AC myrm failship and so on.
balance on the wide scale is that we got great cruisers, yes, but now we get some not so great chunky slow cruisers instead of battlecruisers.

I do not wish to sound like I'm whining... so with regard to parity for pvp, let me just say:

Minmatar ships have the nickname "WinMatar"

and

The Drake is roundly laughed at, besmirched, and maligned as a pvp ship.


I happen to believe, with regard to pvp, there is a terrible bias towards gunships.. which is unfortunate because I love the Drake and missile boats. If CCP wishes to bring some degreee of parity to pvp... my first recommendation is to award Tracking Disruptor bonus to Caldari ships, since they are generally missile boats, and are the most at disadvantaged vs gunships . If not all Caldari ships, at least give a TD bonus to the mainstay of Caldari pvp ships: the Drake.

Thank you and have a pleasant tomorrow.

What? lol

I guess those thousands of Drake blobs were an illusion then. Drake has been, and will remain one of the most popular PvP ships in the game. Before the missile nerf, Nano Drake was one of the most popular small gang fittings as well.

And there is no way that a Minmitar E-War type will be making its way anytime soon to Caldari. Or we may as well just give up with racial bonuses and types altogether. Just fly a Belicose in fleet. Job done. It lights up targets like a Christmas tree.

These new BCs have more dps, tank, slots and cap than cruisers, enabling very different types of fits than cruisers are able with their stronger limitations. On top of that BCs have the special ability to fit links.

Maybe BCs are meant to support cruisers, and not be the main ship?

idk, battlecruiser sounds rather cruiserish to me and these seem to fit the bill. Maybe you have some more detailed suggestions, because I don't exactly understand what you would like them to be?

like the old teir 2s, make them all on that standard, as i said before. not make them a heavy cruiser. see wikipedia for real world class definitions on heavy cruiser and battle cruiser, see which applies more. then simply improve the BS teir layouts. with these changes the smaller(non teir 3) BCs end up a fat cruiser with the teir 3 filling a proper BC role. eg: leave the utility slots, add slots to the former teir 1's and buff them to be a proper rival to the old teir 2. means links and choices, not middle of the road ships that don't offer too large a bonus over the attack cruisers or whatever they call the old teir 3s now unless you´re out for links.

There are no such thing that officially called "Racial bonuses". It's just historicaly same empire's ships got similar bonuses for a sake of consistency.