Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do I understand correctly that you state that Tier 3 BC are bad at killing cruiser-sized ships? What ship size do you call small?

In that case how is your statment opposes my example? Or do you think that ships fitted with BS-sized guns should be able to kill cruiser-sized ships?

To clarify my position: I state that T3 BC are able and killing cruisers. I state that they should not. Just as the Stealth Bombers that also wear BS-sized guns.

People seem to think that the Drake is now a poor PVE choice because of the way it's going to get bonuses. I think in reality, people just got far to comfortable with the Drake being the default goto mission ship.

EVE will always change like this, which is why there are no longer nano battleships scooting around the field with 4 MWD on.

But with the changes to the Caracal, it can happily roll level 2 and level 3 missions, the latter of which is what people were using the Drake in, at a fraction of the cost. Surely that is a good thing? 35m for a new player is a lot for a hull they may well lose from lack of experience, which isn't good in terms of retaining them in the game if they throw their toys out the pram.

The Caracal can fit either a decent buffer, or speed, or active tank. It has the slots to do that, and it can fire any type of damage and will take less damage due to its signature and speed combination. At the price, I'd say this is a great ship to get new players into, with a ton of flexibility.

For Level 4 missions solo, a Drake is 'doable' but not exactly ideal. Really you're entering BS and T2 territory there.

Would I like to see a ROF bonus on the Drake? Yeap. Would I like it to have -5 instead of -15 cpu. Yeap. Does it still have an incredible tank? Yes by golly it does. Does it still do decent damage - with HAMS yes.

Will we see the return of the Nano drake? Probably not.

But thats how things go.

As for the Ferox. I'd have loved for it to get a 6th mid slot, but it seems unlikely its going to happen. It did get more power grid so that the low slot is no longer needed for a power grid module, so thats good news. And it did get an extra gun and top utility slot. With a little bit of out of the box thinking, this means it could be great in a small gang.

Tier 3s obliterate cruisers? http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15500079

He had no chance whatsoever, new Rax goes +3000m/s when you step on it, and eats through that lol"tank" in no time.

Tr3 mobility was over the top before cruiser rebalance, now I don't really see much issue with them. Tr3s still die like flies all over New Eden, every time I fit a new Talos I expect to lose it real soon to some stupid, and I've never been disappointed so far :D

They are all absolutely worthless for brawling, can be killed with any ship class and aren't exactly cheap on your KB. They have their place and are fun to fly imo.

Is it something like this?

The Railgun sniper ship is pretty much dead because railguns doesn't hit very hard compared to artillery and even way smaller ships can easily get away before getting in trouble. However "someone" didn't complete the hybrid rebalance as they promised...

Also when it comes to Naga and Rokh I really hope the Rokh gets that damage bonus because getting the range bonus when you already have the guns with the longest range isn't very good. Especially with the Naga really outperforming Rokh on the weapon systems is just plain wrong...

PS. just because lots of tier 3 ships are lost everyday doesn't mean they are not overpowered. They are the shipclass with the most subcap dps in the entire game and pretty much hits harder than any battleship out there except a few. They do this while being so fast they can force even interceptors and similar to a low transversal and easily pop them (Talos can do it at least) if they do it right. Yes they die a lot - but in the hands of good pilots they don't give other shiptypes a fair chance atm.

Comparing a good pilot to a bad one *always* lead to the same result, whatever the ship they fly.

An inty is between 2 and 3 times faster than a Talos. If the inty get poped, he made a mistake. 1v1, inties are tier3BC killers, including the Talos ; the same way BC are cruiser killers.

I think we're at a point where the changes in the OP are quite good. Some ships are more powerful than others, all of them have a possible fit that doesn't suck.

Some popular fits (Triplerep Myrmidons) will have to adapt a bit, some new doctrines (Harbingerfleet, Prophecyfleet ?) will rise.

Except for the armor rep bonus on both gallente BC, there isn't much to be worried about.

Fozzie, how long until we get to see what's going to change for battleships ?

so...when can we expect more new content again? like stuff to make the game fun again so i quit slacking and ignoring it due to repetitive pve and repetitive killboard farming being the only things to do? or do you really plan to keep releasing these "rebalance" things every so often and pretending it's some sort of major change? seems to be that i only see something that's actually new every year or so. the rest consists of rehashing the same old or tossing new graphics on uninspired aging gameplay.
(end oldfag bitter rant)

as to the new changes, bring the teir 1s up to the former teir 2´s´, not this middle of the road garbage, they look like an inflated cruiser toy for cheap blobs and not a stepping stone to a battleship for the new peeps.

Concerning the myrmidon, the choice to drop a turret and high slot and grant more droneage was a good one. It places more emphasis on the drones and gives more damage from the drone damage amplifier. Also, the choice to grant more drone bay was also a good one since it allows you to fit two fights of heavies or have one flight of heavies, one of mediums, and one of lights while having one backup heavy.

The myrmidon also seems to have just the right amount of PG and CPU. Given the nature of it's slots it should be the tankier of the two combat BCs. To that end it should have a cargo hold of 475 m3 instead of 400 m3. The brutix, given it's slot layout and powergrid, should be geared more towards plating and given a cargo hold of 400 m3 instead of 475 m3. Perhaps an alternative to the active tanking bonus on the brutix would be a tracking bonus.