Player Features and Ideas Discussion

First things first, the cruiser changes were amazing. These changes have brought some new dynamics to the EvE battlefield. I understand that BCs have been the mainstay of EvE players for a long time now, but what do you expect when BS fleets cost upwards of 200m for a ship. I mean I'm Internet space rich, but even I couldn't afford to replace a BS every day....

...but now we've hit the BCs tiericide and we've reached a point of downgrading their EHP to only slightly higher than the new combat cruisers and only slightly higher DPS than the new attack cruisers. That sounds great except for the penalties of the ship being a BC: lower speed, higher sigs, triple the cost, etc. These overall nerfs (yes, I understand some ships have received some buffs, but I personally view these all as almost all negative changes). There either needs to be a massive reduction in their mineral requirements, or there needs to a complete overhaul and a buffing of all Tier 1 and 2 BCs to current level of the FOTY ships (cane/drake).

Now the things I mentioned above aren't really my main concern. I was, however, quite upset to see that Gallente ships have kept their bonuses that make them utterly worthless in small gang and large fleet fights. As people have mentioned earlier in this post, the triple rep Myrm is great because its primary DPS is its drones, thus allowing it to have damage projection and the ability to devote all of its mid and low slots to tank. Drones and autocannons take no cap, which also means the Myrm can focus all of its cap on repping. But due to the limitations of armor reppers that are still present, you're still looking at fighting at most 3 guys.

This does not carry over to the brutix by any means. Fit rail guns for lol damage projection and you're dead when the enemy gets under 10km. Fit blasters and you're dead if they stay outside of 6km. The brutix doesn't have any viable active tanking setup due to the limitations that are hybrid weapons and the need for cap to use those hybrids. Now people may argue that the new AAR "god send" from Fozzie is the brutix's saving grace and the changes to the active armor tanking rigs are mana from heaven.....The brutix received a 50PG buff, but when you look at the changes to active armor tanking rigs (which are a must for active tanking), you won't be able to fit your ship due to PG issues.


Fozzie, you have time to be a hero for the Federation. Make the brutix a viable fleet ship that has two bonuses that are useable for fights involving more than 2 people.

Mass addition was over the top and clearly harboring some personal distaste for the ship beyond the objective of balance.

The cane has been nerfed harder than any other of the tier2 bcs, by far. Whats needed is a rollback of the +300000 mass to probably 175000.

Bout time. Can't wait for these changes

Fire up your EFT, fit your cane with mwd and add a 400mm plate to simulate mass addition.
23m/s less.

And again, the problem with that is you are limited by CPU and PG. You have to downgrade everything and even then you need a fitting rig/cpu implant and AWU 5 for fit that is only decent. Try to fit Hurricane, it can fit everything the Harbinger can but it does not need to downgrade EANM, point, damage control etc. And can use that utility high, you can get away with AWU4 etc.

The problem is that this is a balancing patch and the gap between Harbinger and other bc only grow bigger. It has crap tank, is incredibly slow, lowest agility in class, hardest fitting. It brings nothing on the table except damage projection with mediocre dps.

Not like any alliance/corporation had Harbingers in their doctrines like Drake and Hurricane, not like anyone ever said "they fly harbys we are fuck3d". There was really no reason to nerf it this much.

With the changes coming to Active Tanking, I really don't see the Harby being fitable without gimping the **** out of itself.

I does need to be looked at once more.

On the plus side, armour cane will be q little more nimble, as wil the myrm and brutix

Who the **** says you should be able to fit all the tank you want, mobility and gank?

I'm fine with the harb needing a ACR to use Heavies as long as canes need ACR's to fit 420's



Stop trying to change every god damn ship in the game into a fecking shield kiter ffs. Brutix will be one of the best god damn BC's to come out of these changes/armor changes.

the cane has so much more PG to fit a tank with, because autocannons do not eat as many grid as puls laser do. iirc, autocannons have the smallest fitting requirements. this is the reason behind the powergrid nerf for the cane in the last patch, however you cant reduce the cane's PG much more because then its getting impossible to fit arties (iirc the guns with the highest pg demand). if you ask me, the enormous disparity between artie and autocannon is a bad heritage from earlier days.
as for the comparison between harbinger and cane, harbinger should get some more fittings. its good to have a restricting fitting resource, but restricting in both CPU and PG is over the top. i guess a slight restriction in CPU for the harbinger would be good, as to have a sanitiy check on utility fit to the med slots, but PG should only be an issue for extreme chases, where you try to fit the biggest version of everything.

+1

Fozzie, this feels a bit like a let down. C'mon man, either the Brutix or the Myrmidon has to lose the rep bonus. I've been using the Ferox as a fleet ship since January 2012, but I'd really like to be able to use a Gallente ship for fleet and not rely on Caldari.