EVE General Discussion

I've always liked the idea of walking in stations, walking in cells was a tad dull and graphic cpu intensive for what it offered, which was little. But walking in stations is a cool idea that should be implemented (just never **** with my ship spinning again), I'd worry that even seeing another avatar would blow up my computer but as I live in Matar space I pretty much have a private station in every system

You guys certainly carried on the debate without me.

Looking over the last few pages of this debate, I've noticed one thing. The two "sides" really aren't that far apart in the final analysis.

Even the most strident Barbie mockers admit that the basic original idea's behind Incarna had merit, but insist that spaceships are the heart and soul of this game and must take priority above all else. Now some admit they don't understand what content could be developed for Incarna that could possibly be as engaging in star ship combat. Others get hung up on EVE being a test bed for the Incarna tech.

Both sides keep explaining their point of view, and the other side either misinterprets it repeatedly or simply doesn't want to hear it.

I'm not going to create a wall of text (I hope) but here are a few pertinent points to consider on both sides.

1) Yes, EVE is a test bed for the Incarna tech. CCP has never kept this a secret. This (in typical Icelandic tradition) hasn't been pointed out by CCP for some time however, as it is considered public knowledge. Somehow the entirely practical idea of developing the same basic tech for both games has turned into a dirty word. EVE is the product that is already out there, of course it's going to be the platform where the stress testing is going to occur (and thankfully so).

2) WOD and Incarna has not been completely shelved. Operating with a reduced staff, yes. As much public attention diverted from it as possible, yes. But it has not been cancelled. This is a good sign for both sides. The focus is on EVE, resources have been reallocated to help address failures in this area for the last 18 months, and yet the potential for taking what they learned (the hard way) and doing it right still exists.

3) Nobody on either side wants Incarna to pull necessary resources from core EVE game play again. Nobody wants Incarna as it ended up to eat up development resources and continue on in the same manner as before. What some want, and what some don't understand, is for Incarna to be developed again but in the right way. If necessary with it's own funding and dev team, independent from what is necessary to keep the solid foundation that is traditional EVE game play alive and growing.

4) If EVE is going to survive it must evolve and grow, both in space and in new area's like Incarna and DUST. Just focusing on space alone will eventually play itself out, there are only so many new ships you can create without becoming redundant. Likewise, focusing too much on other area's will weaken the game as a whole and spell disaster. An intelligent division of resources (time and money) MUST happen for EVE to continue long term. What we have all experienced recently is NOT an intelligent division. Very important side projects endangered the whole through inefficiency, mismanaged resources, an overly optimistic development timeline, and limited duration funding. These failures must NOT happen again, and in fact can be avoided.

5) From the moment CCP first started developing EVE they have had a great vision compared to the rest of the gaming industry, and have literally produced results in many area's that no one else has touched even now, year's later. Where they sometimes fail is in the details of delivering that vision into a reality that everyone can get behind. If they can just get the hang of discussing in detail the future they envision for EVE, then get detailed feedback from us on how we would like to interact with it, and then finally focus their resources on making that fully happen (to completion) with a sensible allocation of resources, we would ALL (CCP included) end up with a thriving gaming universe with plenty of content and variety for everyone.

.... and yes, I see I blew the whole "avoid writing a wall of text" thing. I'll shut up now.

Hilmar basically said with the 3 additional CQs and some optimizations "we have Incarna and we may come back to it sometime". No one with CCP has said any additional Incarna work is currently planned.

WoD is in life support. Incarna is "done" as far as CCP is concerned and CCP isn't working or even formally planning any additional WiS work.

A lot of folks are going to argue about what constitutes "core game play" and the point of this thread is a lot of us would say that getting us on the other side of that door, even if it is something simple would be something we would trade for what I would call "special interest end game features" that some of the loudest WiS haters claim to be FiS that they feel is all Eve is about.

I would say Eve is intended to be a SciFi simulator and CCP has delivered a lot of space ship SciFi content but WiS is needed in some form to move Eve forward. I think the loudest WiS haters have Hilmar convinced we don't really care about WiS when I think a lot of us do.

Issler

Thats that link I was looking for. Again, ignoring these things is silly

Next time provide my actual post in the quote instead of twisting it into something completely different in an attempt to justify your failed troll response.

Obviously you only saw what you wanted to see instead of what I actually wrote due to your head being buried in the sand.

I've seen you posting your twisted 'Doom and gloom' viewpoints everywhere with the 'Oh no, it's the end of FiS' type attitude if WiS is worked on. Where do you people come from?

Personally I hope your prediction is accurate. I'd love to see all of you closed minded trolls emo rage jump into the nearest Bio-Vat.

WiS should have brought in tons of new players then CCP wouldn't have to rely on these moron Veterans who ruined this possibly revolutionizing tech.

All Eve Online needed was WiS to bring in more casual players. Who cares what insomniac no lifers think when you can cater to sane casual players.


Finish WiS and if you can't do it man up and just say so.

Yes, indeed. They need to go back to the roots of amublation, they had some very good ideas but lost track of them somewhere between MT and their own hubris.

Players need to run the economy and ISK should fuel it. Nex and Aurum where bad ideas in combation with WiS it limited everyones freedom (including CCP's)

This really is the right answer. We can have WiS, but it would be likely that the next 2 or so expansions would have very little in space content. If this happened, the player base would massively drop; the graphs don't lie.

I do hope that WiS is still on the backburner though. The true multiplayer incarnation would really add to the atmosphere of the game, even if there is no real content backing it (just poker + corp meeting rooms + public bars). I do hope to see this in maybe 1-1.5 years!

Yeah I would like to see that door opened at some point. WiS was made worse by CQ. Personally, I'd have not gone so overboard on CQ and opened the door to a prublic atrium.

Also, let us close the door to our ship, dammit!