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ian thegreats
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-01-21 21:35:35 UTC
So I feel as if CCP has limited the idea of this game being a "sandbox"

why?

well in theory and in practice, I suicide gank people: person dies, he makes his kill rights agasint me available to the entire eve universe. now with the sandbox idea, you have told me that I can be anything i want in game so long as what I do is not a violation of any of the terms of service conditions and policies, well I have chosen to be a jita suice ganker i.e professional pirate usiny my rupture to shoot defenseless indy pilots. with the new killright option he sells his and again making me available to shooty freely at the simple press of a button.

now with this option, you now have spawned a new database of players who sit outside major tradehubs such as amarr, jita, ren, dodixie, etc, behind or in front of the station setting up an overview setting which allows them to see people who can recieve the suspect timer at the click of a button, thus limiting my sandbox right of being a pirate ganker in highsec which I remind you is not against any of your policies as I do it for profit . what is the trade off here? there is none, the new system cuts into what I want to do now and now sort of say, forces me into a new career; however after the 30 day kilright timer is up.

recently CCP has made an official decision regarding the "site blocking" issue with incursion, the relation between that and suicide ganking is that , people go to a specific place to make isk, to continually delve into this sandbox idea which CCP has created. with my, my place of choice was major tradehub, incursion runner was a site within an incursion staging area. . instead of telling incursion runners that "hey, you have no right to complain there are plenty of highsec incursions to go to and to run sites" , you told them, yes your carreer as an incursion runner is being affected we will now make it a violation to site block incursion. the same concept should be applied to my suicide ganking carrer, i am now hindered from ganking because now there are dozens of players outside hubs who purposely activate my suspect timer. the problem with my end, is that I cant just pick up and leave, go to a new region etc, the killright activation follows me everywhere for a month. it is basically like i am at war with eve. except i cant fight back.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-21 21:38:30 UTC
ian thegreats wrote:
So I feel as if CCP has limited the idea of this game being a "sandbox"

why?

well in theory and in practice, I suicide gank people: person dies, he makes his kill rights agasint me available to the entire eve universe. now with the sandbox idea, you have told me that I can be anything i want in game so long as what I do is not a violation of any of the terms of service conditions and policies, well I have chosen to be a jita suice ganker i.e professional pirate usiny my rupture to shoot defenseless indy pilots. with the new killright option he sells his and again making me available to shooty freely at the simple press of a button.

now with this option, you now have spawned a new database of players who sit outside major tradehubs such as amarr, jita, ren, dodixie, etc, behind or in front of the station setting up an overview setting which allows them to see people who can recieve the suspect timer at the click of a button, thus limiting my sandbox right of being a pirate ganker in highsec which I remind you is not against any of your policies as I do it for profit . what is the trade off here? there is none, the new system cuts into what I want to do now and now sort of say, forces me into a new career; however after the 30 day kilright timer is up.

recently CCP has made an official decision regarding the "site blocking" issue with incursion, the relation between that and suicide ganking is that , people go to a specific place to make isk, to continually delve into this sandbox idea which CCP has created. with my, my place of choice was major tradehub, incursion runner was a site within an incursion staging area. . instead of telling incursion runners that "hey, you have no right to complain there are plenty of highsec incursions to go to and to run sites" , you told them, yes your carreer as an incursion runner is being affected we will now make it a violation to site block incursion. the same concept should be applied to my suicide ganking carrer, i am now hindered from ganking because now there are dozens of players outside hubs who purposely activate my suspect timer. the problem with my end, is that I cant just pick up and leave, go to a new region etc, the killright activation follows me everywhere for a month. it is basically like i am at war with eve. except i cant fight back.



But you are talking about ganking, and how it is unfair for you to be unfair to others.

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ian thegreats
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-01-21 21:46:50 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
ian thegreats wrote:
So I feel as if CCP has limited the idea of this game being a "sandbox"

why?

well in theory and in practice, I suicide gank people: person dies, he makes his kill rights agasint me available to the entire eve universe. now with the sandbox idea, you have told me that I can be anything i want in game so long as what I do is not a violation of any of the terms of service conditions and policies, well I have chosen to be a jita suice ganker i.e professional pirate usiny my rupture to shoot defenseless indy pilots. with the new killright option he sells his and again making me available to shooty freely at the simple press of a button.

now with this option, you now have spawned a new database of players who sit outside major tradehubs such as amarr, jita, ren, dodixie, etc, behind or in front of the station setting up an overview setting which allows them to see people who can recieve the suspect timer at the click of a button, thus limiting my sandbox right of being a pirate ganker in highsec which I remind you is not against any of your policies as I do it for profit . what is the trade off here? there is none, the new system cuts into what I want to do now and now sort of say, forces me into a new career; however after the 30 day kilright timer is up.

recently CCP has made an official decision regarding the "site blocking" issue with incursion, the relation between that and suicide ganking is that , people go to a specific place to make isk, to continually delve into this sandbox idea which CCP has created. with my, my place of choice was major tradehub, incursion runner was a site within an incursion staging area. . instead of telling incursion runners that "hey, you have no right to complain there are plenty of highsec incursions to go to and to run sites" , you told them, yes your carreer as an incursion runner is being affected we will now make it a violation to site block incursion. the same concept should be applied to my suicide ganking carrer, i am now hindered from ganking because now there are dozens of players outside hubs who purposely activate my suspect timer. the problem with my end, is that I cant just pick up and leave, go to a new region etc, the killright activation follows me everywhere for a month. it is basically like i am at war with eve. except i cant fight back.



But you are talking about ganking, and how it is unfair for you to be unfair to others.


im not really trying to argue that its unfair im just trying to argue that the new systems takes away from the whole sandbox idea.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-21 21:50:16 UTC
Yea this isn't an issue for us gankers, the sandbox is still alive and well.
Bow'en
Solutum
#5 - 2013-01-21 21:50:25 UTC
You are confusing "you can do anything you want that doesn't violate the TOS" with "you can do anything you want without repercussions that doesn't violate the TOS".
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-21 21:53:43 UTC
You can still go to various other systems and gank. You still have that option. That doesn't take anything away from the sandbox idea.

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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
#7 - 2013-01-21 22:07:32 UTC
Interestingly enough, if CCP weren't so hell bent on tying the hands of suicide gankers, people blocking incursion sites wouldn't be a problem.

Actually, as it stands now it shouldn't be a problem. It's just that carebears apparently can't be expected to solve their own problems.
ian thegreats
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-01-21 22:22:46 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Interestingly enough, if CCP weren't so hell bent on tying the hands of suicide gankers, people blocking incursion sites wouldn't be a problem.

Actually, as it stands now it shouldn't be a problem. It's just that carebears apparently can't be expected to solve their own problems.



damn carebears lol
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2013-01-21 22:28:50 UTC
ian thegreats wrote:


now with this option, you now have spawned a new database of players who sit outside major tradehubs such as amarr, jita, ren, dodixie, etc, behind or in front of the station setting up an overview setting which allows them to see people who can recieve the suspect timer at the click of a button, thus limiting my sandbox right of being a pirate ganker in highsec which I remind you is not against any of your policies as I do it for profit . what is the trade off here? there is none, the new system cuts into what I want to do now and now sort of say, forces me into a new career; however after the 30 day kilright timer is up.


My crystal ball tells me that someone activated a killright on you recently.... leading me to say that ganker tears can in fact be some of the sweetest of all.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

ian thegreats
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-01-21 22:30:41 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
ian thegreats wrote:


now with this option, you now have spawned a new database of players who sit outside major tradehubs such as amarr, jita, ren, dodixie, etc, behind or in front of the station setting up an overview setting which allows them to see people who can recieve the suspect timer at the click of a button, thus limiting my sandbox right of being a pirate ganker in highsec which I remind you is not against any of your policies as I do it for profit . what is the trade off here? there is none, the new system cuts into what I want to do now and now sort of say, forces me into a new career; however after the 30 day kilright timer is up.


My crystal ball tells me that someone activated a killright on you recently.... leading me to say that ganker tears can in fact be some of the sweetest of all.


nope sorry and i would have to argue that a coward's tears are the most delicious.
Bow'en
Solutum
#11 - 2013-01-21 22:32:31 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:
Interestingly enough, if CCP weren't so hell bent on tying the hands of suicide gankers, people blocking incursion sites wouldn't be a problem.

Actually, as it stands now it shouldn't be a problem. It's just that carebears apparently can't be expected to solve their own problems.

Seems like the carebears did solve their own problem, they hired someone to handle you.

Eve is not your sandbox, it is everyone's sandbox. Your actions have consequences.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-01-21 22:33:11 UTC
Ironic tears are the best of all.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#13 - 2013-01-21 23:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Killrights are laughably easy to lose. Do you even PVP? You know, in a regular sense? Or just bait someone into blowing up your noobship. Bumping Cynabals and Tornados in Hek works for me. Just be annoying as **** and some idiot WILL activate your killright. Consider it a form of fraud if you will. Controlled loss. Collateral damage. Easy as pie. What do you care what a killboard says? Your wallet doesn't care.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#14 - 2013-01-21 23:29:37 UTC
Undock in a rookie ship with an empty pod. Idle until someone activates your killrights and blows up worthless things. It's not like you care about your killboard.

Sigh...some people are just devoid of creativity.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Turgesson
Gorillaz In The Mist
#15 - 2013-01-22 01:19:37 UTC
Psychotic Monk wrote:

Actually, as it stands now it shouldn't be a problem. It's just that carebears apparently can't be expected to solve their own problems.


CCP

"Trying to patch stupid since 2011"
Ignatius Leopardi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-22 02:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ignatius Leopardi
Bow'en wrote:

Seems like the carebears did solve their own problem, they hired someone to handle you.

Eve is not your sandbox, it is everyone's sandbox. Your actions have consequences.


This.

Lost a Mackinaw tonight. I thought it was fairly well tanked, but the three attackers made very short work of it. Podded me too because, well, I can't figure why, but they did.

I didn't fuss, whine or complain. I took the only retaliatory action I could - I opened up my kill rights and moved on.

I'll try and protect the next one better.