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Benefits of being in a spaceholding alliance?
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Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#1 - 2013-01-20 13:24:52 UTC
I am not too familiar with the changes in the past year and from what I have seen its been mainly empire related stuff, so I might be wrong here but is it safe to assume majority of players in spaceholding alliances make their ISK from alts living in empire / WHs?

If this is the case what are the benefits of actually being in a spaceholding alliance? Players dont get a share of the moon goo that is farmed, supercaps are so not super, no one mines in 0.0 and theres far more action AND drama in lowsec.

Is it safe to assume that the only reason people are part of spaceholding alliances is so they can feel important?
Dave stark
#2 - 2013-01-20 13:26:54 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
no one mines in 0.0


confirming all that mega/zyd/morphite in jita is all npc sell orders.
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#3 - 2013-01-20 13:28:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
no one mines in 0.0


confirming all that mega/zyd/morphite in jita is all npc sell orders.


Its pretty stupid mining for mega/zyd tbh
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-20 13:29:00 UTC
Free ships to pvp with thanks to moon goo.
Dave stark
#5 - 2013-01-20 13:31:50 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Kalle Demos wrote:
no one mines in 0.0


confirming all that mega/zyd/morphite in jita is all npc sell orders.


Its pretty stupid mining for mega/zyd tbh


yup pretty stupid mining the highest isk/hour rocks if you're a miner.
Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-01-20 16:14:08 UTC
PVP.
Signal11th
#7 - 2013-01-20 16:16:20 UTC
If you are into yoga it's great you spend a lot of time on your knees

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-20 16:24:28 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
I am not too familiar with the changes in the past year and from what I have seen its been mainly empire related stuff, so I might be wrong here but is it safe to assume majority of players in spaceholding alliances make their ISK from alts living in empire / WHs?

If this is the case what are the benefits of actually being in a spaceholding alliance? Players dont get a share of the moon goo that is farmed, supercaps are so not super, no one mines in 0.0 and theres far more action AND drama in lowsec.

Is it safe to assume that the only reason people are part of spaceholding alliances is so they can feel important?

trolling aside:
good 0.0 sov space gives you:
1. Money - farming anomalies is lot more easy and profitable than high-sec missions
2. dead-space complexes - lots of ISK too
3. safety - you have intel information about your neighbours. Every neutral/red is detected long before he enters your system
4. a little PvP "on your terms" - enemy came and you with your friends can hunt him "right at home".
5. a little PvP fun in CTAs - i remember some 0.0 wars. it was exciting: you press F1 and target just disappears... 1-2 hours and you see +50 kills on your KB :D Carebear paradise

maybe there is more benefits. I just wrote what i recall from live there in 0.0

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
bufnitza calatoare
#9 - 2013-01-20 17:35:46 UTC
heres one HUGE benefit..

I made over 2b isk in one hours of game time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2013-01-20 18:50:29 UTC
Kalle Demos wrote:
so I might be wrong here but is it safe to assume majority of players in spaceholding alliances make their ISK from alts living in empire / WHs?

If this is the case what are the benefits of actually being in a spaceholding alliance? Players dont get a share of the moon goo that is farmed, supercaps are so not super, no one mines in 0.0 and theres far more action AND drama in lowsec.

Eventually all of nullsec will be an area like providence or -A-'s old home, terrible and filled with terrible people.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#11 - 2013-01-20 18:57:13 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
heres one HUGE benefit..

I made over 2b isk in one hours of game time.



Is that is?

Dude I make 8.6 bill an hour in lowsec

Ofc just like you I forget to add travel time and how how many chars I am using
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
#12 - 2013-01-20 18:58:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Eventually all of nullsec will be an area like providence or -A-'s old home, terrible and filled with terrible people.


Eventually?
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#13 - 2013-01-20 23:03:24 UTC
Advantages of space holding?

Jump Bridges.
Cyno jammers.
Supercapital construction.
POS fuel consumption bonus.

That's it. The big disadvantage is there's always someone bigger than you who will want to take your space. The more you have, the more you can lose.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2013-01-20 23:05:01 UTC
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
heres one HUGE benefit..

I made over 2b isk in one hours of game time.



Yeah well machariel bpc drops and officer drops are nice, but you don't get those every day. More realistic is around 100M/hr.
Tesal
#15 - 2013-01-21 00:33:07 UTC
You can't be an evil space tyrant in hi-sec.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#16 - 2013-01-21 00:43:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamden Line
Well, even the absolute worst space, a perfect(Worst sec status) 0.0 with no moon goon above R04, can still be upgraded to Mil 5, which gives you the ability to easy pay off the sov costs with ratting in properly fit ships. You can make a lot of money through anoms - especially with escalations (drops in 0.0 from Faction Rats are garbage).

Obviously, the pedantic advantage of sov would basically be: Fuel is cheaper and you can build supers. Aside from that, there is no direct benefit to the player of simply holding sovereignty - everything else comes through upgrades to the systems.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-01-21 15:52:20 UTC
agreed with the OP, yeah we can use all the ships, we can feel a bit safer than in high sec, but what's there to do, blobs?, killing neutrals?, anomalies 24/7?.

not enough rewarding, living from rat bounties is as boring as living of rocks in high sec, i should be doing billions with the almost interminable belts, planets and moons out in null, not in empire space.