Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wow ! I can't believe it ! People are actually complaining about caldari ship not being effective enough at shield tanking !

Seriously people, in what world do you live ? Can't you keep in mind how ship perform in the game currently before posting about balancing the future ones ?

And remember : as long as we don't know what Fozzy have in mind for armor tank, we can't really complain about armor ships being bad because of armor. And the same goes for armor bonuses.

More globaly, I think they have been rather conservative with most BC (exceptions being Cyclone and Prophecy) to avoid the risk of breaking the balance. Until now, we had very popular tier2 BC, often considered overpowered, and tier1 BC rather weak. They just put them all in a middle ground, and I think its a good thing. I think BC have been a reference for all this tiericide, and modifying them too much now could be dangerous for balance.

Myrm this and Myrm that.

How much EHP do you need against kiting armor Harbinger?

you tease!

tell us what you are planning...

its killing me...

i haz to know... (entitlement overload i know!)

seriously awesome that you got this on sisi so fast...

you guys rock!

I really hope that either the Myrm gets it's high and gun back, or you do a remodel.

You guys are nuts if you think comparing Amarr lowslot layouts with Caldari medslot layouts - especially when the total rebalance isn't done yet... However I am not that keen on 7 battlecruiser lowslots which I explained in an earlier post.

I agree we all want more medslots but fact is the Ferox tanks fine with 5 and a resist bonus. However it will obviously stink in comparison if the Drake will have 6 and a resist bonus. Which is why I think CCP should consider making people happy with a more aggressive aproach on the Drake...

Pinky, the comparison was not clear, appologies.

What I was trying to show with that comparison, was that from frigate to battleship, there is a natural improvement and progression which blips badly for gunnery Caldari ships.

In addition, as far as potential tank slots go, for Amarr, they have a 7 slot low slot ship, akin to say, a battleship, but naturally without the same sort of damage output and now very reliant on drones. Caldari Moa and Caldari Ferox both share 5 slots, and given the Ferox doesn't get a DPS bonus like the Moa, it DPS is practically identical, even with the extra guns.

Basically the Ferox now, is a fatter, slower Moa, that still has to use a MWD to get in range when blaster fit, and frankly, for the small amount of EHP extra it gets, at a massive increase in signature, and at half the speed - I think the Ferox is basically not worth much.

Why spend a lot more ISK, for basically a pretty similar boat? If anything, the Moa is better than the Ferox, because of its signature and speed.

I'm not suggesting 7 mid slots for the Ferox, far from it, if you read my earlier post, I was asking for it to have 6 - the same as the Drake. You can suggest the Drake be more aggressively fit, but I believe that is the role the Naga fills, the Drake doesn't really do the DPS to allow it to really win in that role, given the explosion issues of HAMs, and the nerfs applied to Heavy Missiles.

With 6 mid slots the Ferox would be a good step between a Moa and a Rokh - a role that it is basically supposed to fill.

Moa : 5 turrets x 1,25 dps bonus = 6,25 turrets
Ferox : 7 turrets = 7,00 turrets

Yes - Moa and Ferox has equal amounts of medslots and tanking potential (with more HP on Ferox), however with 5 lowslots compared to 3 lowslots on a Moa, the Ferox will be far able to do 2 more lowslot mods than the Moa. Whatever you do the difference is subtle but still very valuable...

So dont judge the Ferox based on what other ships have or not. It still has at least 12% more dps, way more hitpoints and hopefully fitting for bigger guns. On top of this you get 2 lowslots to add either more dps, tracking, range or whatever your Moa might be missing.

The only thing wrong with only having 5 medslots is the obvious lack of tackle that REALLY helps a gunship (mwd/web/scram as well as a strong tank) but that has always been difficult with Caldari ships and not something terrible once you get to live with it.

Pinky

PS. Pirate implants really ruin the experience for many people flying without - they should nerf the bonus to the half and maybe the results would be more in line with the rest of Eve.
Anyway believing implants will fix active tanking is absurd...

EDIT: Apparantly I brainfarted with the amount of Moa lowslots - sorry (post isn't corrected on purpose)

Tried the cyclone. It is literally worse than it was before.

I'd like auto-cannons back on the cyclone personally. And more of em.

These pilots do not exist.

Now that I had the chance to take a look at the battlecruiser changes I have a feeling on how they would do on TQ.

So my first impressions in no perticular order,

The Drake:
I tried both HML and HAM fits and with the loss of a high slot came a little help in the fitting department and both launchers fit with ease.
She is still an awesome kiter or a scary brawling boat with up to 600 dps! I like

The Ferox:
Now I can see what you did there . I tried active and buffer fits with heavy ion blaster II's and Null M this sturdy little boat feels like a slower Adrestia at least in the range department.
I'm afraid she still feels like is a little heavy when you take 180° turns but you can dish out blaster ammo until the edge of a long point. I like

The Myrmidon:
My poor Myrmidon what hath they done to you?? She feels like a terrible bigger Vexor both can't perfom on either the blaster or the drone department.
You can active armor tank or buffer tank, both will make her just terrible slow and with the speed bonus from armor rigs just not capable of doing what she likes - closing in a brawl.
The Vexor will still outperform the Myrmidon in the speed damage department.

I don't know what a solution would be?
Either make the Myrmidon faster or remove the armor rig "speed bonus" to reach a zero speed gimp at armor rigging V.

I can't say I like it but yet I would have liked my Myrmidon to be a tankier Vexor capable of doing things either with 5 guns or drones and omg-solo-bbq-pwn-style with the both of them combined.

The Brutix:
My dear Brutix and her bigger sister both got the short straw in the upcoming changes and like the Myrmidon she just can't get in close to beat someone like the gallente do.
She is another too slow battlecruiser who cannot get in range and active or buffer armor tanking make it even worse.
One the damage department she is still the Brutix we all know - best to stay out of her way.

On a sidenote a tiny bit offtopic,
if armor tanking would not make a skirmish boat slower, they could. I even proposed a change for the active repair modules cycle time to be reduced so you my not need those rigs to perfom well.

Another thing and please accept my apologies in advance because I still need some time before I can fly amarr boats but I like to say a few things about them too.

In New Eden not everything that is bigger means that it is better and on that note it puzzles me why it is not possible to fit larger guns on larger ships.
When I use my eft or pyfa to setup ships I find it difficult to fit a full rack of neutron blasters or heavy pulse lasers on gallete or amarr boats.
Amarr ships tend to be very tight on cpu and powergrid and god forbid they take other guns then focussed medium pulses.
The same goes for gallente ships not capable of fitting neutron blasters, except for the Talos.

Dear CCP Fozzie,
a very common pvp setup for a ship looks like this,
- guns in the highs, a neut if you can
- mwd, point or scram, web if you can, cap injector if you can and ewar if you can
- damage mod, tracking enhacer, damage controll II

If you manage to fit the above, you have a pvp boat ready to go but you still need to fit a tank of your liking on them if you have slots to put them into.
Sadly armor repair modules need more powergrid altogether since you need at least two of those to compete with one shield booster, so be generous with grid please at least for gallente and amarr ships, matar don't need powergrid.