Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Just please, for the love of god, don't give me a missile Sleipnir.

I agree that the proper time needs to be taken in rebalancing the BC's. After all you guys took a couple of months to make the changes to the cruiser and smaller hulls; so I think equal time should be given here. Also from what I read the other day all the BC's are supposed to have a total of 17 slots and ulness my math is wrong both the Myrmidon and Prophecy have 16 which puts them at a disadvantege to the other ships from the loss of a high, mid, or low slot.

Anothjer possible change for the myrmidon if you want to keep it at only 5 turret slots is to give it a turret dmg bomus and maybe a resits bonus instead of the rep bonus if that was to also go away.

I definately agree that either more time needs to be dedicated to this study or some testing needs to be done on the ttest server to find the best balance formula for the upcoming changes.

Fozzie did say that he's trying to get these on the test server asap.

How long do they need to be on there before people can decide if they are good to go or not?

It doesn't sound like they care much whether they're "good or not." They're just going to go ahead and do them like this because that's what they already did. Since the cruisers were done, it feel like they're just over ship rebalancing now.

It's a lot of work, doing stuff. And then people complain anyway.

Proph and myrmidon have 16 slots because they are drone ships. Drone ships almost always have -1 slot in comparison to similar ships of their same class.

My only comment is that the Ferox needs an extra mid slot, not an extra low slot.

Given the Ferox isn't and still isn't going to be great on capacitor, that means a mid slot is also taken up by a cap booster in many combat fits.

It is a shield boat after all, and it shares the same number of mid slots as a couple of the armor tankers... something very wrong with that for an entirely shield focused ship.

Have to see how the capacitor holds out with an extra turret, but this feels like it will still be a very tight fit and frankly, right now, its hard to justify the extra costs of the battlecruisers compared to the new T1 cruisers.

tl,dr; True, there are no Gallente line ships in current large fleet doctrines. Is it a problem, when it works the other way around too? Will the current fleet doctrines hold forever?



ahhh.. gotcha



Without going into much details in this thread, I disagree with those points and also see no issues in fitting shield tank on ships that benefit from the speed.



"Larger spectrum of engagements" means that most Gallente ships are not usable in null blobs as line ships. However, it's also true that most ships in general aren't usable in null blobs, in the doctrine chosen by the alliance. It's not a racial issue tbh, you have to train a specific ship and fit to be fleet compatible.



What about that noob in his Drake who wants to fly in a wormhole fleet? I mean it's not his fault that he trained a Drake, but do you want to change the mechanics also so that he could fly his chosen ship and contribute something? Just like the older player who made the mistake of training for a Tengu, he is faced with a choice of training for another race, or everybody's favourite. the Falcon. Isn't this is also your definition of restrictive gameplay? What about the guy who wants to fly the ranis/lach/prot? Should Tengus given long points as well?



Well, in the end most of the engagements in EVE are small gang. They are far more accessible, found in all areas of space and available for all ship classes. This is the scenery, and currently all races have perfectly viable options to fly in them.

If you want to get into large fleets, you have to be a member in a null alliance, limiting your gameplay freedom considerably. It's all about choices.

Balanced? Compared to what? It is supposed to be a better gunnery boat and have more options than Cruisers and less than Battleships.

Here is the progress chart:

Merlin : 4 mid slots
Moa: 5 mids slots
Ferox: 5 mid slots
Rokh: 6 mid slots

Compared to say Amarr:

Punisher: 4 low slots
Maller: 6 low slots
Prophecy: 7 low slots
Abaddon: 7 low slots

The issue for Caldari, is those mid slots are also used for MWD, Cap Boosters, and if you're lucky - a point. For the 'Best' shield race, this seems a tad harsh given they all come with EM resistance holes the size of Texas that also has to be 'fixed'.

5 mid slots is not enough on such an expensive boat given the advantages the Moa has now.

The Moa owns the Ferox. The Moa can deal very similar damage with less guns, move twice as fast (Ideal for a blaster boat), has a far smaller signature (So takes far less damage than the Ferox), and can reach 50,000 EHP in a fleet fit.

So the question is, why upgrade to a slower Ferox with a signature size of a small moon?

With only minor changes to power grid, in a typical buffer fit, the Ferox can still not fit 7 Heavy Neutron Blasters OR 7 250 Rails, and it will need that extra low slot, just to fit a Reactor Control or Power Diagnostic.

The only way to fit within the normal power grid is to downgrade weapon sizes to the smaller versions, instantly gimping the range and DPS and popping a tracking enhancer in the low instead, but even with that, you don't get the same sort of ranges as before.

And lets say you are going to use a snipe Railgun Ferox fit to take advantage of the range bonus, well theres the Naga for that. Money spent on a Ferox sniper is money wasted.

So lets say you want a mid range fit Ferox fit with Railguns. With Javelins it still only reaches 14km optimal range and does around 400 DPS. If you want to reach further, DPS is going to drop significantly, and those 7 guns don't seem all that worth it anymore DPS wise.

For the overall ship cost, and given I can reach further and do similar DPS in a Heavy Missile Caracal - again with smaller signature and far better speed, the Ferox is an incredibly difficult sell frankly. It already has very low usage numbers. These changes means it will still have very low usage numbers.

So, conclusion: The extra low slot is basically worthless as it is just used to fix powergrid issues introduced by the extra turret hardpoint.

The Ferox should be a mini Rokh.

But its powergrid, and low mid slot count (Unlike a Rokh, this ship relies on its MWD and Cap Booster to move around to do its damage) completely gimp the thing. Please give it enough power grid to fit its weapons with a normal MWD/Buffer fit, and it needs 6 mid slots to be offer the tank and options needed to justify upgrading from a 5 mid slot Moa.

Ditch the low slot change.

Well, given that Amarr are basically the race that gets 5% armour bonus, in the same way Caldari get 5% shield bonus, the comparison is a fair one.

While Amarr have to use at least say, two low slots for Damage Modules, that still leaves them able to fit Cap Boosters, and Propulsion, along with Point, with ease. With the Damage control, that leaves the Prophecy able to use 4 other tank slots, compared to a Ferox that has 2 mid slot tank free after fitting a Cap Booster, MWD and point. Please explain how this is balanced?

Out of all the battlecruisers, the prophecy absolutely was useless and needed updating dramatically, the same could be argued for the Ferox. With 5 mid slots, its still completely gimped, and it doesn't have the Powergrid to make use of the weapon's it is now supposed to be using. Not if you want to fit any type of tank at least...

Troll harder.