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Easing scanning pain

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1 - 2013-01-18 15:59:46 UTC
I would give my carpal tunnel inflicted right hand for two buttons on the system scanner interface.

One increments the scan range of all active probes by one step

One decrements the scan range of all active probes by one step

Please make this so - this wormhole scout will love you long time.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#2 - 2013-01-18 16:03:06 UTC
I would cal this being lazy but I know how often it has to be changed +1

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AyayaPanda
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-18 20:46:57 UTC
Hmm... Try shift and ALT?
Dave Stark
#4 - 2013-01-18 20:53:08 UTC
AyayaPanda wrote:
Hmm... Try shift and ALT?


this. shift and drag the bubbles.

what i'd like to see for scanning would be a "save" feature for the location of probes, i think i spend more time spreading my probes out in to a formation to scan with so they aren't all blobbed up on top of each other, than i do scanning for things.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-19 00:05:17 UTC
Whenever I accidentally grab the sides of the probe instead of the arrows and it move the thing 2000 AU's I go into a blinding rage and throw my mouse at my cat.

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#6 - 2013-01-19 01:12:16 UTC
AyayaPanda wrote:
Hmm... Try shift and ALT?


I shift and alt plenty. If you have a standard setup that has one central probe and six outer probes with ranges of one step lower it doesn't work. Resizing that way resets all of them, including the center probe.
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2013-01-19 06:24:03 UTC  |  Edited by: GizzyBoy
maybe shift and bind to mouse wheel?

I would support some fixes to the glitchy probe labels.
and Id love some options to turn on and off other labels like planets and stations. or is that in some hidden menu option?
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-19 06:44:50 UTC
a agree with earlier pooster that suggested that we can save a pre set start pattern of your probes
Hakan MacTrew
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-01-19 07:07:17 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
a agree with earlier pooster that suggested that we can save a pre set start pattern of your probes

I also agree with said earlier Pooster Lol
Sedstr
#10 - 2013-01-19 08:54:35 UTC
Nitrah wrote:
I would give my carpal tunnel inflicted right hand for two buttons on the system scanner interface.

One increments the scan range of all active probes by one step

One decrements the scan range of all active probes by one step

Please make this so - this wormhole scout will love you long time.


Select a probe, ctrl-a, rclick and set the size or shift-drag a sphere, how hard is that?
I'm thinking I should post a suggestion to make probing harder...


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Sedstr
#11 - 2013-01-19 08:59:18 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
a agree with earlier pooster that suggested that we can save a pre set start pattern of your probes



NO! why not just make it so you can drop your probes and hit scan!..

Since they added the inner circles to show people where to overlap and since they added the alt-drag to keep the probes in formation, it seems every man and his dog is probing for sites.

I remember the good old days when it was tedious and laborious and few could be ass'd doing it as a profession.

Make it harder if anything.

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Sedstr
#12 - 2013-01-19 09:02:16 UTC
GizzyBoy wrote:
maybe shift and bind to mouse wheel?

I would support some fixes to the glitchy probe labels.
and Id love some options to turn on and off other labels like planets and stations. or is that in some hidden menu option?



you can already do that from the map filters.

the probe labels need to be shortened... SCP/CP and SCSP/CSP SDSP/DSP would be appropriate for the system map probing interface.

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St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-01-19 09:06:25 UTC
Reading comprehension people!

He wants to to change the range of his probes by a relative value (+1, -1), not set them to an absolute value.

If all your probes are the same size, it doesn't matter, but it makes a difference if you're using a center probe that's larger than the rest.

Also, while I have no problems with making scanning harder, CCP shouldn't make things in game more difficult by making the interface and controls a pain in the ass.

Make the mechanics behind things require more brainwork and skill, don't make the user interface an exercise in frustration.



Dave Stark
#14 - 2013-01-19 09:40:57 UTC
Sedstr wrote:
Fey Ivory wrote:
a agree with earlier pooster that suggested that we can save a pre set start pattern of your probes



NO! why not just make it so you can drop your probes and hit scan!..

Since they added the inner circles to show people where to overlap and since they added the alt-drag to keep the probes in formation, it seems every man and his dog is probing for sites.

I remember the good old days when it was tedious and laborious and few could be ass'd doing it as a profession.

Make it harder if anything.



i fail to see why making scanning less of a pain in the ass is a bad thing. being tedious and laborious have never been good ways to sell a product, especially a game.

i know while we're at it let's turn auto repeat off for guns, and all other modules. let's see how fun that would be.
Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#15 - 2013-01-20 15:51:19 UTC
Sedstr wrote:
Nitrah wrote:
I would give my carpal tunnel inflicted right hand for two buttons on the system scanner interface.

One increments the scan range of all active probes by one step

One decrements the scan range of all active probes by one step

Please make this so - this wormhole scout will love you long time.


Select a probe, ctrl-a, rclick and set the size or shift-drag a sphere, how hard is that?
I'm thinking I should post a suggestion to make probing harder...




Seriously?

The evening I posted this, I was scanning out a wormhole chain. In that chain, Bob gave us the good fortune of a C6 black hole after a C5 black hole after a C6 black hole. To those who have never had the fortune, there can easily be 40 signatures in those types of systems.

If your standard scan probe layout DOES NOT USE all the same range, then shift or alt drag messes it up.

Can you right click? Sure. But to scan down each Sig, you reset your ranges at least twice, and more likely three times. You have to do this for each probe range. Click, shift click, right click, click, click, right click, click, adjust probe locations, click each time you run a scan. Try doing that 300 times an hour to scan down two systems. Compare with click, click, adjust locations, click to scan.

Can you do it the way it is now? Sure. I do it every day. Does it suck? Yep! Would it make it easier? I don't think so- just less tedious. Please spin the recommendation to automatically set up scan orientations out to another thread. While that would also make things less painful, I think that would make combat scanning too easy.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-01-20 16:02:32 UTC
Not a bad suggestion. This is why I don't use different ranges for probes.

What's the benefit, btw? I use 8 probes in a cube which works rather well.

Also, you don't filter sigs in cluttered systems?

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#17 - 2013-01-20 16:22:01 UTC
Roime wrote:
Not a bad suggestion. This is why I don't use different ranges for probes.

What's the benefit, btw? I use 8 probes in a cube which works rather well.

Also, you don't filter sigs in cluttered systems?



For one, I still only have seven probes available. One in the center, one up, one down, one each NSEW. That way, you are able to find what a larger signature is at a 8/4AU range and if you miss slightly, your center probe overlaps the outer probes almost always, giving you at least a circular hit.

Yes, I filter, but you typically need to at least do a 8/4 to find where it is, and then a 2/1 or 4/2 to get it to 25%. The third is to refine if you have a high deviance hit the first scan. If you are scanning to 100, add one more scan.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-01-20 16:33:27 UTC
I meant DSP filtering but you'll need Astro 5 for that. Recommended, St Mio has made a very handy tool for that.

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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#19 - 2013-01-20 17:07:07 UTC
Doesn't really work well outside of k-space exploration. Wormholes can be of almost any size, and ladars and gravs can be as well.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-01-20 17:16:20 UTC
It does help filtering out dozens of sigs in situations where you just need the static fast.

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