Ships & Modules

Where is the harb nerf?

All I see is

-1 turret
-175 pg
-25 cpu
+%20 damage

Which results in: 6*1.2=7.2 effective turrets. Which is actually a buff

Considering one less HPL with 208pg and 35 cpu, you are not really getting a fitting nerf at all.

Cap regen is reduced => one less turret to consume energy
EHP reduced => Has second best armor amount after the new prophecy. EHP is inline with others now.
Mass incresed => Very small difference, which will be lost in rounding when you add plates to your ship.

You even get a larger drone bay to have backup flight of hornet ec's

They just rounded things around corners but harb will be same old harb.

Tiericide is killing BC's. The Tier 3 BC's are amazing and have made most Tier 1/2 obsolete (the drake and hurricane where 2 examples where this was not the case).

Honestly BC's are in a good place right now in terms of there role, but this could be expanded with tiericide. If anything BC's (tier 1 and 2) should NOT have any sort of range bonus. Ideally battlecruisers should be able to fit the largest guns of their bonused type while sporting a large tank, but of course be very slow. As it stand they step on the toes of HAC's too much and these changes don't help that. They are becoming medarately increased tanked, high-damage cruisers.

The main reason these changes seem to be the way they are is due to the (rather valid) argument that they are obsoleting BS's - especially in 0.0 warfare. But this isn't BC's fault, it because BS's have become outdated which should be addressed in their teircide, not BC's. MJD's honestly are really helping to make BS's better, but this only helps them if they are limited to BS hulls, making smaller versions will remove a poetnaitl new BS 'role' (busting into cyno jammed systems which are heavily bubbled and assaulting a defending force). It also allows them to escape from large fleet fights when focused - especially when in sniper configuration.

As such i think it would make more sense to return the hurricane to its un-nerfed state and buff other BC's accordingly to bring it in-line. The heavy missile re-balance has sorted the drake out anyway. The other option is we get these trashy BC configurations they have proposed. Tier 1/2 should have more fitting (similar to a mini BS but without the projection, massive tank or MJD's) and tier 3's should have the exact oppose (massive damage and projection but minimal fitting and tank).

BS's on the other hand should combine all of these, but without the mobility (outside MJD's) and of course will be more expensive.

Because it's Amarrian, and Amarrians should be rather used to being shat on by CCP by now.

I expect the 'attack battlecruisers' to be reduced to at least combat cruiser speed and also take a lot longer to get up to that speed.

Loosing more grid than a turret costs, meaning those 6 higher damage bonused turrets are smaller sized turrets, resulting in a net loss in DPS.

The fact that you're going for FMP's and you can't fit a 1600 plate + rack of HPL's is a nerf in itself.

Current Harbinger does not allow for HPL+1600 (without fitting mods) either so what is this whole repartee about?

HPL+Shield on the other hand ....

Circles back to that other part of the BC tiericide discussion .. what the plans are for armour tanking .. will CCP bite the bullet and make plates easier on fittings? Will they introduce a super-sized plate? Will repairers suddenly be worth something outside missions/ratting?

Personally hope they grab the bull by the testies and nerf buffering into the ground. Should be more fitting intensive than active so that people get to make one of those delicious choices that Eve has neglected forcing on people in recent years.

PS: Active tanking already makes a similar choice by limiting alpha protection, needing cap, expending additional slots etc. .. total cost of active is insane compared to buffering.

Gallente armor rep bonus ;_;

This should be able to fit on a harbie

Highs:

6x Heavy pulse II
1x small nuet

Medium:

10mn mwd
disruptor
web
small cap booster II

Lows:

1600mm Tungesten
1x eanmII
1x adaptive nano
1x dcu II
2x Heat sink II

Rigs:

Medium ACR
2x Medium Trimark