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maybe the challenge could be who's the fastest miner in the belt ("i depleted the Veldspar roid before you ahahah")

...ehm... ok

I dunno, maybe because that'd defeat the purpose of EVE being "PvP anytime anywhere?"



#1 Do'able, but only if there are NPC guards (something "tough, but fair" of course, it's low-sec, not high-sec) in low-sec and CONCORD in high-sec to provide consequences for people breaking the rules.

#2 Considerable. Just remember that cosmetic options increase the size of the client's resource files and the amount of things the art team needs to keep updated.

#3 No. Achievements do nothing but make people feel vaguely good about grinding, and I don't think that that's a particularly good thing for MMOs. Secondly achievements come with achievement whores and the mentality that achievements actually mean a damn thing. EVE doesn't need them.

#4 Again, I'm going to have to say no. There are way too many possibilities in EVE to make any sort of PvP ranking system anything but a laughable farce and subsequently a waste of developers' time and resources. Furthermore giving people even cosmetic rewards for gaming a meta-game inside a meta-game doesn't really strike me as a good idea.

#3 and #4 Another issue with the ideas is that, at least as currently suggested, they create something out of nothing. Who or what monitors achievements? Who or what hands out the rewards? Why are they handing out these rewards? Replace achievements with PvP ranks.

#5 We've already got that with the Captains' Quarters. If you want customizable player housing so that players can add a few knickknacks, some wall hangings, a throw rug, or a few stuffed animals to their CQ in a specific station then I can agree with that, but in order to do that CCP would have to do quite a bit of work ranging from more art assets to a method of placing the items in the CQ, when people are already complaining about CCP (apparently) not working on higher-(player-)priority items like PoSes.



Quite true, but there are two things to consider. Often the "honor" that involves dueling isn't real honor, it rarely ever has been even in literature, and the mechanics proposed here don't really force or shackle anyone in such a way as to prevent them from doing something dishonorable. You can just as easily gank someone after the CONCORD interdiction nullification time period has been lifted or have a friend do it for you with this system as you can without it.



No no, teasing, not trolling. It's a completely different thing.



Honestly, I don't see that there is any more "right way" in can flipping or joining the same corporation for two or players to have CONCORD-free high-sec PvP than there is with some sort of "CONCORD Interdiction Nullification Timer." There aren't even any limits like, "Only to 50% hull, man!" with a CINT.

As for "e-honour knights," does it really matter on any practical level? Idiots are going to be idiots regardless of whether or not there are game mechanics in place to codify their idiocy. All that I've read, and I can't guarantee I've read everything, posted is that there's a 5 minute CINT and that's it. No magical bubbles to protect the participants from outside interference, no mystical wormholes to instantly translate the fighters to secure Jovian space, and no, "You have reached 30% hull and must terminate combat. You have 30 seconds to comply." messaging.

Some further development ideas:

- separate shards for the nasty PVP types
- ship emotes
- mounts for ships
- use all the possible colours in all in-space assets
- new race: Pandatards
- disband corps and alliances and divide population into two realms, "Chaos" and "Good"
- ISK could be called Gold
- SP from killing rats
- buff Paladin

The only objection to this which springs to mind is simply down to it being an official mechanism supporting dueling.

It's not an objection to the notion of dueling in EVE as that has existed for yonks, but I dunno, it just feels less like EVE when it's a proper official mechanism supporting high sec duels rather than the players using a related system in an unexpected way.

TL;DR all pages so maybe my suggestions have already been posted:

1. I wish for a separate option to block all duel convoes similar to chat convoes

2. For future releases for 1v1 duels you should think about an extra option for a real limited engagement, which disallow both participants being in a fleet (to avoid hidden fleetbooster) and punishing remote assistancers with a criminal flag instead of a suspect flag to guarantee a *real* 1v1 at least in high security space.

Just my 2 cents

There's a difference between "allows for" and "supports." The currently proposed "CINT" really just allows for this the same way that mechanics abuse with jet cans (and let's face it, using mechanics in a way not intended by the developers is abuse no matter how harmless or harmful it is) used to.

There's one potential advantage to this sort of thing though. If there is a mechanic to either charge fees for engaging in dueling it would help reduce some of the isk floating around in the economy. Increase the cost of the fees based on system security and it will help push people towards lower-security systems. It might not push them into low-sec unless the fees are prohibitively high, but even with CONCORD intervention for "duel-busting" it'll give the offenders more time to act and get their jollies.

On a side note there's another option here for the people who want to avoid duel requests. Implement a fee similar to the CSPA charges for chatting with people who have them set. If someone really, really wants to pay 25m isk just to initiate a duel request with you, the fee is strictly for initiating the request and your acceptance of the duel request doesn't prevent the fee from being deducted from the aggressor's wallet, more power to them, but at 25m a pop I don't think you'd get very many.

These are things that the jet can mechanics (abuse) just didn't allow for and could benefit the game.

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If it's strictly a CINT then it would be the exact same thing as jet can "dueling." OGB works and short of forcing "duelists" into a fleet there'd be no way to guarantee that they weren't in the background.

Tarpedo wrote:
I can't believe my eyes: EVE is getting MMO features which was common like 10 years ago. And it's not even trumpeted like primary feature of yearly / named expansion. Now I expect to see following:

PvP arenas (with ship class and amount limits)
ship cosmetics
achievements (with cosmetic rewards)
PvP ranks (with cosmetic rewards)
housing

Is interesting - because EvE does have PvP arenas and the rankings that go with that and indeed actual ships as prizes. The Alliance Tournaments.

Eve has achievements of a sort that no-one uses in terms of those certificates.

Also the killboards offer rankings that are dotted all over the internet. With the achievment / KM whoring that someone mentioned going hand-in-hand with that.

I know the post I've quoted was serious and shows nicely where we don't want EVE to go. And I agree. But those things proposed actually have an analogue already.

The last item - housing. Well - some of us do want to see WiS become more developed one day. [EDIT] Poses need love too - these are considered home for some people at the moment!!! [/EDIT]

On Topic: With stealing from a can now flagging you as a target to everyone - it is difficult to replicate the ad-hoc high sec combat that used to happen.

But I guess what we are all saying here is that. . . Concord are a bit OP - perhaps we would like to see a less artificial differential between Hi-Sec and the rest of EVE.

The same way back when (counter)can-flipping was used to initiate "safe" PvP in high-sec.



Right, because a five minute recurring CINT for easy, consensual dueling in high-sec is totally like World of Warcraft's dueling where there aren't repair bills, you can't die, the only way to get out of the duel is to leave the area or lose, and you can't heal (remote rep), buff (OGB), or attack (self-evident) the participants of said duel.

Talk about your Wrath of the Fail King...

Sounds like a great addition.

I agree with these changes:
-Auto decline duel request in my settings
-Duel requests dont have keyboard hotkeys in case I accidently type something and agree to it
-Change the sword logo
-Track duel results separately from normal kills. Different evemail tag or what not.

What parts of EVE other than high-sec have a police force which requires two (or more) consenting adults to jump though a step other than control+left-clicking -> F1-F8 in order to engage in consensual PvP?