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Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-18 01:20:45 UTC
First they came for the missiles,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Caldari.

Then they came for the Drake,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Drake.

Then they came for the Hurricane,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a scrap metal.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for my Harbinger.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595&find=unread

Seriously, CCP. What's with the hate on the Harbinger? It arguably took the worst hit of any other ship on your Tiericide list.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#2 - 2013-01-18 01:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
- missiles got buffed tremendously, unguided got a massive buff and T2 ammo now doesn't suck anymore, you point is moot. HML got the nerf they deserved

- the drake gets nerfed just like most other tier 2 BCs, drake was one of the OP tier 2 so it gets nerfed slightly more, besides if you want they could remove a medium or low slot instead if you like that more. Another moot point you made

- same for the cane, deal with it. Moot point

- the harb gets a damage buff but a fitting nerf, probably to stop ppl from piling on the heavy pulses in combination with the 1600 plate. Perhaps Fozzie is trying to tell you that he wants to stop bc's being massively tanked. The mass change is silly small (but unwarranted I give you that). And in light of the other tier 2s being nerfed a dps improved Harb is actually getting a boost. Moot point.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#3 - 2013-01-18 01:28:33 UTC
They also don't seem to want BCs to have 8 high slots either.

Not sure about the Harby, been years since I last flown one.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#4 - 2013-01-18 01:54:34 UTC
So let me get this straight.....

You made a thread to whine about another thread?

Can someone tape a reply button to your head please?

The Drake is a Lie
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#5 - 2013-01-18 02:07:48 UTC
I agree with this. I think the nerf to the harbinger was not required, as it was already on the low end of DPS. It had 7 turrets with one bonus to damage, while the cane has 6 turrets with 2 bonuses.
Aria Lykryng
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-18 02:17:43 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
First they came for the missiles,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Caldari.

Then they came for the Drake,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Drake.

Then they came for the Hurricane,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a scrap metal.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for my Harbinger.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191595&find=unread

Seriously, CCP. What's with the hate on the Harbinger? It arguably took the worst hit of any other ship on your Tiericide list.



Somewhere in the thread they acknowledged it was going to be looked at some more.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-18 02:23:53 UTC
Eh, that seventh turret bugged the crap out of me anyway.
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-18 02:24:08 UTC
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I agree with this. I think the nerf to the harbinger was not required, as it was already on the low end of DPS. It had 7 turrets with one bonus to damage, while the cane has 6 turrets with 2 bonuses.

This.
cooly 0
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-01-18 03:15:24 UTC
I giggle like a girl every time some asshat says the drake was OP, and tells you to HTFU about the nerf when they couldn't even handle a drake.
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#10 - 2013-01-18 03:54:56 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
Eh, that seventh turret bugged the crap out of me anyway.


This is very true. All they had to do to fix it though was to put it in the centerline, rather than off to the side.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-01-18 03:59:19 UTC
cooly 0 wrote:
I giggle like a girl every time some asshat says the drake was OP, and tells you to HTFU about the nerf when they couldn't even handle a drake.

It WAS OP, I flew them all the damn time and so did thousands of other people in my coalition because of it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#12 - 2013-01-18 04:22:25 UTC
I welcome the changes. You're seeing people trying out new fits and new ships again, instead of the usual blob of hurricanes or drakes.
Rain6639
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-01-18 04:26:20 UTC
Ferox 強力してください Big smile
Mire Stoude
Bird Law LLP
Bird Law LLP Alliance
#14 - 2013-01-18 04:46:37 UTC
It's probably because I finally decided to buy one.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-18 06:59:57 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
They also don't seem to want BCs to have 8 high slots either.

Apparently they don't want people to stuff gang links on most BCs without removing a turret.
Yes, I know that gang link on a BC isn't something people do really, but with cahnges to boosting mechanics, who knows.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-01-18 08:54:27 UTC
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I agree with this. I think the nerf to the harbinger was not required, as it was already on the low end of DPS. It had 7 turrets with one bonus to damage, while the cane has 6 turrets with 2 bonuses.

This.


Are you all blind? Harbinger DPS, volley damage and damage/cap are all being increased in that proposal.
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-18 08:55:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
By which I mean:

10% (+5%) bonus to Medium Energy Turret Damage
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#18 - 2013-01-18 08:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Nyancat Audeles wrote:
Veronica Kerrigan wrote:
I agree with this. I think the nerf to the harbinger was not required, as it was already on the low end of DPS. It had 7 turrets with one bonus to damage, while the cane has 6 turrets with 2 bonuses.

This.


You didn't read it right, did you. Yes it lost a turret but its damage bonus went up, so it does MORE dps while using less cap for it. IT'S A DAMAGE BOOST!
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-01-18 09:15:23 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
You didn't read it right, did you. Yes it lost a turret but its damage bonus went up, so it does MORE dps while using less cap for it. IT'S A DAMAGE BOOST!

What people complain about is mostly proposed fitting changes though. Byt yeah, people miss those 10% surprizingly often.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-01-18 09:22:08 UTC
Boost, Scmoost. You get the equivalent of +0.25 turret worth of damage, it is for all intents and purposes unchanged .. when it comes to the guns the boost is in the lower cost per dps (ISK and cap).

Mobility is going be questionable though and will put it at a severe disadvantage .. will be nigh impossible to use manoeuvring to augment a tank. Looking forward to trying it out though, but think the extra mass (equal to a prefitted 1600 plate without the EHP!) and CPU reduction is a little over top.
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