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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#1861 - 2013-01-18 00:28:36 UTC
I don't think that CCP disagrees that POS's need to be redone. From what I've read it seems to be just a couple of things:

1) CCP Doesn't think enough players care. You guys are doing a good job of correcting that here.

2) Will modular POSs bring more NEW players into the game? That's a little harder to say... let's be honest: most players don't even think about setting up a station in their first couple of months. I sure didn't come to EvE for the stations. Stations are a little more complex and require a lot of game knowledge to understand all of their functions... and to set one up you need to read a friggin' phonebook written in Greek. That's a hard sell to a newcomer especially. The real crux of this thread is whether POS's are going to bring in fresh meat or coming out with panda avatars or something will do better.

...that's the last I'll say on this. It's *popcorn* time for me.

GL o7

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Opes2
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1862 - 2013-01-18 00:29:12 UTC
Signed
Wenthrial Solamar
Brand Newbros
#1863 - 2013-01-18 00:29:26 UTC
Taking a small steps approach would be fine, it need not be the new-shiny fix all... a team Paper-cuts style project for POS's ... but please some progress on them.
Korin Traise
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1864 - 2013-01-18 00:29:59 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Let me queue "Onlining"

Just do this... Let me do this very freaking simple thing. Please.

I mean, you don't need a re-vamp for this.


just... Queue onlining.


This.
Spike Hellthrod
Crimson Crusaders
#1865 - 2013-01-18 00:30:44 UTC
+1 POS revamp. I completely gave up on any type of POS management roles either for personal or corp use. After running a POS for about 6 months I told my corp that I would never mess with POS management and fueling again!!! I would rather not play EVE then manage or fuel a POS....granted I was fueling before the fuel block update. But still!!!
Eve Orwell
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1866 - 2013-01-18 00:32:15 UTC
Definitely would love a pos revamp all my +1s
Shinzann
Beast Cat Industries
#1867 - 2013-01-18 00:32:30 UTC
I support this notion. +1 for POS revamps
Sha'Uri Dark
VoidRunner's Inc.
#1868 - 2013-01-18 00:32:58 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote wrote:
THE OVERHAUL CANNOT HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE



Personally I don't think anyone ever expected it to be, what we are/were expecting is that it is/was already being worked on. Those of us that are familiar with programming and development know it takes time to design, code, test, bug fix, retest, bug fix, etc and the last thing we want is a rushed POS revamp. Stop kicking the can down the road and start working on it now so that in 12-24 months you can deliver a player owned structure system that not only meets the players expectations but exceeds them and becomes something the rest of the MMO game industry envies and copies.


One day I'd love to actually have player owned structures in space, all we have now are corporation and alliance owned structures in space...


Vaschel Novak
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1869 - 2013-01-18 00:33:09 UTC
+1 definitely would love to see
Kathern Aurilen
#1870 - 2013-01-18 00:37:37 UTC
Silvonus wrote:
They have a lot of potential applications in solving a lot of the other problems across EVE (such as being able to have higher refining for nullsec with some nullsec-only anchorable module), or to upgrade a system that a small force could fight over. The possibilities are endless, so why not incorporate those possibilities into the other fixes?
Things like this would help cure the wasteland that Null dwellers claim it to be. Give them the ability to make null and low at least as profitable as high sec is.

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Baby Dady
Whitcross Research
#1871 - 2013-01-18 00:38:02 UTC
I am just some nub in RvB, And even I know that POS's are the most broken thing in the game!

More broken than Capitals!

More broken than Tec!

More broken than off grid boosting!

More broken than minning!

More broken than (insert broken thing here)!


If POS's only effect a small number of players, then why is ther one on every moon within 7 jumps of Jita?


Please make fixing POS's and Corp Management high on the list to fix!
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1872 - 2013-01-18 00:39:14 UTC
CCP Gargant wrote:
CCP has only stated that THE OVERHAUL CANNOT HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE



From page 38:

"On top of that, Soundwave added, the POS system by itself would only affect a small portion of the community."



This is a LARGE part of the issue at hand, which neither dev post in this thread has addressed, and was used in the CSM meeting to justify not having worked on POS'es, when there was much discussion the previous year indicating that they would infact.

This is part of what we, contest. What we say is not true.
Crack Kills
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1873 - 2013-01-18 00:43:22 UTC
I don't think CCP actually has any idea how many players would be impacted by changes to the POS system.

I'd be curious to hear what the ratio is of POS per active player is. I bet they've never attempted to quantify how many players POS mechanics actually impact.

I am one of them, and I believe a POS rework is long overdue.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#1874 - 2013-01-18 00:43:47 UTC
Gogela wrote:


2) Will modular POSs bring more NEW players into the game? That's a little harder to say... let's be honest: most players don't even think about setting up a station in their first couple of months.


Can't speak for anyone else, but I wanted a place of my own, right from the Get Go! Of course, I didn't know how much I didn't know. And when I found out how much I didn't know...

Cry
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Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#1875 - 2013-01-18 00:48:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
Gogela wrote:

2) Will modular POSs bring more NEW players into the game? That's a little harder to say... let's be honest: most players don't even think about setting up a station in their first couple of months. I sure didn't come to EvE for the stations. Stations are a little more complex and require a lot of game knowledge to understand all of their functions... and to set one up you need to read a friggin' phonebook written in Greek. That's a hard sell to a newcomer especially. The real crux of this thread is whether POS's are going to bring in fresh meat or coming out with panda avatars or something will do better.



Actually, I've shared this story a few times before, but not sure if I've shared it here in the EvE forums yet.

I said no to about a year's worth (or more) of requests from friends and even customers of my RL job to "Come play EvE with me Bro, you'll love it!!!"

to my own personal regret, they were right, I do love it, but that's not what's important in this post, what's important is how the one friend "sold" EvE to me or sold me on EvE. (whichever way makes more sense to you)

We played Navyfield, and we were damn good at it, but, like most MMORPG games, you never got anywhere unless you were at the helm of your ship battling, or in your armor, or riding your steed/mount or whatever and one night my friend said to me "Bill, dude you have to come play this, they have these books that help you learn and if you want to fly a certain ship, you stick this book in your head and learn it, and even better, if that book takes 2 days to learn, you can be logged off for 2 days and come back and you can fly that ship, or use the item the book is for" (as close to verbatim as I can get after all these years)

and that did it for me.. I tried the trial and I was hooked.

Now imagine telling someone the same basic thing, the build your own empire thing and adding, "you can even have your own private house in space complete with a garage, workshop and whatever you want to have..."

I think it would help, for me personally, I would have played a year or more sooner if I had been told that or had the game explained to me in such a way.


o/
Celly

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.

Avalloc
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1876 - 2013-01-18 00:51:25 UTC
As a previous member of the CSM I want to see the POS revamp. As they are now they present a high barrier of entry for newer players. Not to mention if more players get into POS using it'll stimulate the EVE economy even more.

Revamp will impact too few players? Do you have figures on number of people who ignored POS use because of their complexity?

Czar Vilinous
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1877 - 2013-01-18 00:52:28 UTC
please pos fix now?
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#1878 - 2013-01-18 00:54:22 UTC
Please CCP take pos management into the same awesomeness as inferno & retribution ship rebalancing efforts and propel pos managing part of the game into the future Smile
ivor windybottom
Plundering Penguins
Solyaris Chtonium
#1879 - 2013-01-18 00:54:50 UTC
fix the pos system Shocked
Royal Jedi
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#1880 - 2013-01-18 00:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Jedi
94 pages and counting.

Signed!

"the POS system by itself would only affect a small portion of the community." - CSM Mins

Hopefully the interest in this thread illustrates the contrary...

:-)