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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Marsan
#1581 - 2013-01-17 20:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
CCP Gargant wrote:


I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard.


These are all nice words and stuff, but to those of us who have been defending CCP's long years of inaction based on the mythical coming POS revamp are feeling a mite angry. Tell me have you, Seagull, or Unifex ever maintained a POS on a live server? Ever tried to manufacture anything in one? Ever setup a decent set of defences? Hauled the fuel for it? People do this all the time and they are the people who keep the T2 and T3 products flowing in game. They maintain the jump bridges. Setup staging POSes. Hauling fuel to keep them going. POSes are required for nearly any mid sized corp to function, and large sections of infrastructure. It's something that burns players out, and contributes the death of corporations.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
DiKKy Heartiez
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1582 - 2013-01-17 20:16:51 UTC
Please fix pos. Kthx.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#1583 - 2013-01-17 20:17:21 UTC
Poses are extremely important to the everyday management of our 200 character WH corporation. It's something that should be looked at sooner rather than later.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1584 - 2013-01-17 20:17:49 UTC
Posting in a Two Step plusrep donation drive.

(also yes fix POSs right now good lord)

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Deadcode Analord
Doomheim
#1585 - 2013-01-17 20:18:25 UTC
Marsan wrote:
It's something that burns players out, and contributes the dead of corporations.


To CCP: i just got off the phone with a fellow mate to whom I said "CCP is going to help us this year, just hang in there, they're going to help us, it will get easier."

Please don't make a liar out of me vOv
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#1586 - 2013-01-17 20:19:36 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:

...'golden goose' ....

...'small portion of the community'.

...bad choice of words.

Picked out the central themes here.

Basically, CCP does not check with reality, each other, or the player base before spouting off. They arrogantly expect the player base to swallow whatever CCP feels like spouting at any point in time.
To quote someone: "...bad choice...."

How many times does CCP need to get swatted with a rolled-up paper and have its nose rubbed in its latest mess?


Learn your lessons CCP: Get together, and get everyone on the same message. Check the message against previously delivewred promises. Check the actual game impact. Check with the player base.
All that... Before delivering your message.

If you think you've got a loser of a message maybe it's time to rethink, or at least do some coherent expectations management.
Don't deliver disappointments and broken promises by demonstrating ignorance of your own game and disrespect to those who play it.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc
Damikin
Nehe Umbrella
#1587 - 2013-01-17 20:20:52 UTC
What I would like to see for POS changes (sooner rather than later):

Individual storage
Better security (setting per module access per characters, like with titles)
Repackaging ability
T3 subsystem changing
Someway to repair burnt out modules (This might be interesting, but at least a way to get a module where repair paste can actually repair a module)
Gorram Darkstar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1588 - 2013-01-17 20:22:25 UTC
It is a bit frustrating to think that CCP has been working on POSes all this time only to realize that they haven't even started, aside from some "prototype" that left them with the conclusion that the whole thing wasn't worth their time.

CCP, please recognize the importance of this feature request and take the steps (iterative is OK!) necessary to not only make current POSes usable, but to expand the concept to a broader set of users.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1589 - 2013-01-17 20:23:37 UTC
Aryth wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:


Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.


While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show.

Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it.


CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go.


I have a much different opinion on this than Mynnna. Historically CCP only seems to change their positions when the playerbase either riots, smears them in the media, or inflicts pain on their subs. I consider riotous behavior consistent with the belief that their behavior only seems to change when displeasure is voiced in the most extreme ways possible.

It isn't that I like that, it is that they seem to keep repeating the same mistakes as the past....not listening to the players until forced to.


They're turning over one stone with the new development paradigm. I'm willing to give them the chance to turn over a second with regards to responsiveness to players. If the concern continues to be ignored, well...that's another matter, of course.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Rampager
Maple Leafs Nation
#1590 - 2013-01-17 20:23:59 UTC
As a POS used on daily basis, would realy love POS rebalance / redesign.
I realy hope CCP does that for this summer update.
Shori Laya
Doomheim
#1591 - 2013-01-17 20:24:01 UTC
I support a POS fix/revamp
Whisper Kasdeya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1592 - 2013-01-17 20:24:01 UTC
Give us a reason to put billions of isk floating in space where people can shoot it. Please ! Help the enablers of production and conflict at the same time.
I've been waiting three years for a POS update. That's almost as long as waiting for a Blizzard title to come out...
Kais Fiddler
Perkone
Caldari State
#1593 - 2013-01-17 20:24:05 UTC
Please for the love of all the people who fuel and run towers fix them.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1594 - 2013-01-17 20:24:38 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Aryth wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:


Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.


While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show.

Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it.


CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go.


I have a much different opinion on this than Mynnna. Historically CCP only seems to change their positions when the playerbase either riots, smears them in the media, or inflicts pain on their subs. I consider riotous behavior consistent with the belief that their behavior only seems to change when displeasure is voiced in the most extreme ways possible.

It isn't that I like that, it is that they seem to keep repeating the same mistakes as the past....not listening to the players until forced to.


They're turning over one stone with the new development paradigm. I'm willing to give them the chance to turn over a second with regards to responsiveness to players. If the concern continues to be ignored, well...that's another matter, of course.


I completely agree. Actions not Words

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Kesi Raae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1595 - 2013-01-17 20:27:15 UTC
POSes need looking at, not so it benefits me, but so it benefits the instigators and enablers.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1596 - 2013-01-17 20:27:38 UTC
CCP has lost it. The current POS system is ****, which is why few people use it. They talked about a modular POS system that would scale from solo players to corporations at fanfest. Which many more people would want to use.

There is nothing to look forward to in this game anymore, WiS didn't happen. POS isn't Gunna happen. Ring mining is a distant 'maybe'

What did we learn from the minutes? That CCP isn't the same company it used to be.

What exactly are we paying you for CCP?
Red Maiden
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1597 - 2013-01-17 20:27:45 UTC
I live in high sec. Sometimes I do exploring in low sec and ratting in null sec. I've been doing this for years. How do POSes affect me? I'm being sincere--I really don't know how they do so I'm looking to learn.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#1598 - 2013-01-17 20:29:28 UTC
As a complete aside, how about a POS module which can repair ships?

Ideally, I think, with something that can be bought/looted from NPCs. (adds another isk sink)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
mkint
#1599 - 2013-01-17 20:30:24 UTC
A good pos revamp could affect every player in the game. A good pos revamp would aim to replace all npc industry lines with player lines. Industry would be a thing to fight over for everyone.

But mostly pos's need to be redone because everything about them is both bullshit and necessary. Pos's make eve bad. That is reason enough.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1600 - 2013-01-17 20:30:25 UTC
Oh and I don't know why you think voicing our opinions on this forum will make a difference. People have been talking on these forums about a POS update for years. Same with avatar stuff. Look how long it took FW to get addressed.

We simply have no way of effectively telling CCP what we as a players want. Short of another riot.