Warfare & Tactics

My mains subscription lapsed because after playing fw I learned it is still broken. Cearain and Cearaen are my pvp characters.

I don't care if people disagree with my opinions. Really if you like camping gates and collecting frigate kills in your sensor boosted arty thrasher thats fine. Its not my thing, but I hope you have fun. If DCM and cynthia enjoy deplexing by multiboxing alt accounts thats fine. I really hope they have fun too. But thats not appealing to me.

But if someone isn't going to respond to the actual points/suggestions I make about the game, other than just assert they are "short sighted" and then say I come off as a douche - well don't expect any respect in return.

So you would prefer goodfights but you cant get them so you somewhat reluctantly fit the sensor boosters to whore killmails. Some people would doubt you, but I don't. When I couldn't find good fights I considered doing this too.

I even bought some ships to do that and got a kill or two. Of course that was always an option that I had as people have been camping stations and gates with sensor boosted ships for years. I am glad you get enjoyment from it but its not cutting it for me.

But lets stick to with what you said you would prefer - Good fights. You said you weren't getting the fights and thats what lead to you flying the sensorboosted arty thrasher. That is my observation as well. Why aren't we getting enough good fights?

Are we the only ones in eve who wish we could get more good pvp fights?

How many people do you think have left eve because good fights were too hard to come by?

Is there not a thread on warfare and tactics describing how boring eve pvp is because good fights are hard to come by? Have you not seen countless other threads witht he same complaint?

I mean you try to act like I am all alone in wanting mechanics that promote frequent quality pvp but if you honestly answer the questions above I am sure you will realize that eve and ccp would greatly benefit from making FW a mechanic where you can get frequent quality pvp.

Just because the people who find eve boring because of the long waits between fights don't say subscribed forever that doesn't mean eve wouldn't be way better if they made a part of eve where people could get frequent quality pvp.

If they did that with faction war I don't think we would see fw gain 5000 null sec alt farmers. We would see faction war and indeed eve as a whole gain 50-100k new subscriptions - on the conservative end.

But whatever, jsut stop acting like I am the only one who would like to see eve provide a mechanic for frequent quality pvp.

"Adapt or die"

XG helping eve-o forums live up to their reputation of being full of worthless posts. What would happen to them without you?

Sorry to hear Cearain got bugged and is nonfunctional. Mostly because you are still here on ground ctrl doing the same job.

It will reduce it, simply because the profits from it will plummet.

Farming works because defender (PvP'er) does not want to waste time babysitting timers, especially with extra time on them so the farmer can have several 'active' plexes to work with and just warp around with the only time lost being the time it takes to warp+accel. gate.

Resetting timers would make offensive plexing something to do in blobs so make sure you don't suddenly 'lose' 15 minutes and is to me an exceedingly poor idea.
Auto-run timers on the other hand lets the PvP'er penalise the farmer for running without having to stop, if he runs the time it takes him to get back is effectively lost to him.

End result will be a shift towards missions again, but they 'only' affect the markets (which have been crashed for 1+ year so 'meh') and not the all important docking and/or WZC .. while not all that needs to be done to bring balance to the risk/reward of FW it would be a solid step in the right direction.

PS: And yes, farmer can just pull stakes and go far, far away .. but as control stabilizes, people spread out and that ninja wannabe gets a brand new group of followers --> missions.

If you have chased of the attacker, why don't you not just run down the timer?




This means that a medium/large gang can defend every plex is a large number of systems, by forcing the attackers to warp out resetting the timer and moving on.

If ccp did 2 things plexing would be an awesome pvp game and there would be no more farming:

1) If you warp off when an enemy (or neutal?) is on your grid or on grid with your accell gate then the timer goes 3 minutes in your enemies favor. Not just to zero. So If you are plexing a minor for 1 minute and get chased off your enemy now only has 8 minutes to close the plex. If you leave a plex with no enemies around then the timer stays where it is at. (we don't want to punish people for leaving a plex to fight in another nearby plex) Perhaps we could even say if your ship blows up in the plex and you warp out in your pod you still don't lose the 3 minutes. Again encouraging people to stay and fight.

2) Notify us when plexes are entered and left. Just when where and plextype so we can go fight them. They are supposedly our military complexes ffs. How can the militias not know when they are attacked?


Its really that simple. If a militia is immediately notified and still can't cover the distance in 3 minutes to chase out rabbits (and thereby make farming impossible) then they likely need to spread out their blob.

1) Good point. The three minutes couldn't be repeating. it could alternate though. Perhaps one time its three minutes then it just rolls back to zero if you warp off when an enemy is on grid.

2) Not so. There are not that many plexes open. But if that became the problem then we could ask for a filter such that we see only plex activity within x jumps.

Actually what you and sasawong do is encouraged by the mechanics. Multibox alts everywhere and if you get chased out then just hide in another system and keep running plexes. You are doing it right under the current mechanics but that does not sound fun to many. That is why - as you correctly point out - not many people care to do this activity.

You can keep telling everyone do this activity but if they don't think its fun they wont. People would rather pvp or even just talk to friends on comms.

But anyway. Thanks for your first post where you actually address issues with what I propose. I think the issues you raise were adequately addressed. What do you think?

Yup.