Jita Park Speakers Corner

So how about the stuff that got shelved because of imminent POS revamp? Are we at least going to get some quality of life improvements? You know, things like...

- Refitting T3s
- Roles that aren't terrible
- Assigning roles/access per POS module/POS
- Audit logging of SMAs/CHAs
- Refining that isn't terrible
- An interface that doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out
- Some kind of skill-queue-esque thing for onlining things in sequence so you're not sitting there babysitting it forever
- Fixing the wretched ammo bug when disassembling a POS
- Accessing cans without having to drag them into your cargo hold (now especially important since we no longer have personal CHAs in carriers/Orcas)

I could go on. We all can. We know a lot of this stuff has been put off until "the great POS revamp" but if that's but a twinkle in some dev's eye (easily confused with the tears they weep upon beholding the code), then for god's sake throw us a bone. We are your enablers and instigators.

About time POS stood for the RIGHT thing instead of Piece Of ####

Signed.

I have been involved in ALL apsects of this game since 2005 (except for those really, really large fleet fights - never done those).

I was promised a POS revamp in 2013.

Broken promises again?!?!?!?

It's time to go on strike.

My support is given.

The potential for new bases would be awesome. There are some other changes I'd like to see first, however this is definitely in need of a major overhaul. Or at least some manner of pain killer. As a possition for the CSM to support and unite on, I think this is a good rallying banner.

A bit of modularity to the POS system I feel would be rather beneficial, another means of customization and optimization that is, in my opinion, one of the highlights of EVE.

As an instigator, as Unifex has coined it, I can tell you that an overhaul or even minor tweaks to the POS system would make my job considerably easier, leaving more time to engage my community in other less micro-management oriented tasks.

I understand you wish to deal with overarching tools which will help instigators and enablers, but please understand POS's should be right up at the top of that list.

Yes, the POS's are but a very small portion of the game. Yes, they are not very widely used when compared against the total playerbase.

There's one reason for this: to manage and understand them is worse than pulling teeth.

You are interested in what brings people together. The POS system does not do this presently. Your economic panel in the CSM minutes states, I quote:



For instance, a lot of the POS revamp work that needs to be done can fold into other areas of the game, like PI, other forms of industry etc. You could program a regional store for WH space so that *I DONT HAVE TO DO IT ON A SPREADSHEET* and pull from a secure hangar tab every single day. You will save the lives of enablers and instigators who are otherwise getting burnt out.

Work on PI and giving enablers tools to manage higher tier PI production in a line so members can work together to achieve higher processed goods. Corpies tend not to understand that we can make considerably more money if we do that in some instances, and from a management perspective with the current WH POS mechanics this is impossible to organize/monitor/initiate without far too much micromanagement.

tl;dr If you give those of us that use POS's back some of the time we waste trying to decode and understand the archaic language and idiosyncratic quirks to the system, [and the time we waste having to educate others] you will see the results multiply exponentially.

It is good to hear that all of you are so heavily invested in the game, and specifically in things that need an overhaul. You guys still have passion for EVE and that in turn makes me more passionate for what I do here. Furthermore, it would appear that Two step, albeit being present at the CSM summit, seems to have misinterpreted what has been stated so far. That said, I want to bring three quotes from the CSM meeting minutes to your attention:

From page 15:

"Unifex: Once we have a theme, we can begin to thread the issues you've identified as needing to be prioritized into that theme. POS's, for example, desperately need some improvement. How do we fit that work into our theme? Maybe we don't do all of the modular POS work at once, but we start by making some modules, solving the hangar problem, for instance. But that new hangar module would also exist to support other new activities as part of the themed expansion. "

From page 99:

"Seagull: We have 4 things that are interacting [regarding the POSes]: the gameplay and design of the POS system, the role POSes play in achieving things in the game (its features), the technical layer (code) then manages all of this (which currently is old and needs refactoring), and art. Regarding art, there is the question of do you want to redo the art, do you want to show individual modules (as opposed to have things inside, like a station), and then you have technical issues, such as what does the rendering complexity of a scene do to client performance?"

"Seagull: The reason there's a “no” to doing [Modular POSes] right now is that it was affecting all of these areas in a way that was too big to do at once. What you're trying to do is try to find a way to get what you want, but what we need to do is go back and look at how we can separate all these layers, and figure out something reasonable, and then have Art do something that's immersive and amazing."

Nowhere has CCP stated that the Player Owned Structure system will not receive attention. Many of you have already pointed out that it is painful to use at best, a huge pile of unusable dingleberries at worst. Some talk about this being the "old" CCP appearing again but I want to assure all of you that the mistakes that happened in 2011 will not repeat themselves. CCP has only stated that THE OVERHAUL CANNOT HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE

I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard.

Some way POS's should be reviewed ASAP to make them useful for co-playing in mid-large corporations. Talking about event makers you're pointing to 3 to 5% of EVE's populus. Same with POS managers - they aren't much bigger in count but they carry on, they're the backbone of every independent==experienced corporation.
No time for deep LEGOrisation?- fine, but refine what already steals our time.

I fully support a pos revamp and I do not use pos's.

I am however one of the players that indirectly benefits from pos's and I do not want to see them left untouched.

Dear CCP, remember burn Jita?

Better POS will result more WH population.
~sign