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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Max Goldwing
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#621 - 2013-01-17 13:21:22 UTC
Awful anchoring system combined with even more awful hangar options for personal storage of goods and storage.

Just a personal storage module would do wonders for many...
Garphunkle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#622 - 2013-01-17 13:22:21 UTC
Posting in support of a POS revamp
Hoxothul
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#623 - 2013-01-17 13:22:40 UTC
Severely disappointed in CCP.

At the Wormhole Round table CCP Greyscale and CCP Masterplan both promised that they would move up the priority of POS revamp after they heard how much Wormhole dwellers had to limit their recruitment due to the insecure nature of the current POS System.

And now you decide to not do the POS revamp, because it only affects a small part of the community? Bullshit!
Frying Doom
#624 - 2013-01-17 13:22:45 UTC
Don't forget to like Two steps original post at the start of this thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2471738#post2471738

As CCPs comprehension skills seem to be failing them again.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
xZardoZx
Grumpy Bastards
#625 - 2013-01-17 13:22:55 UTC
fix the damn pos system!

Last couple of pos update i thought were F* sweet!
Now we need more changes on roles!

So we can actually have it effect more people as recruiting would go ALOT better!

SO Please change the damn system!

Thanks :)
Takumiro
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#626 - 2013-01-17 13:23:22 UTC
Fix POS's please.

skink
Lady Boon
Light Matter Project Holdings
#627 - 2013-01-17 13:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Boon
I think CCP underestimated the desire that players have for the POS system to be developed. The POS update has always been "Soon(tm)", and I guess that's one reason the Eve community hasn't been more vocal about it. I wonder how many times a player has looked at the putting up a POS and then realised how painful the process would be, and forgot about the whole idea, got bored and quit. Carving out your own little part of space is something that many new players aspire to do, pity the current system doesn't really allow you to do that.

I can understand that revamping the POS system is a lot of work. I also think that players will understand if the revamp is done over many expansions. Perhaps working the old and new systems in parallel would give CCP the flexibility to make the POS system work properly.

In my mind, a working, well designed POS system, is a "must have" in a game like Eve.
Jim Augus
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#628 - 2013-01-17 13:24:39 UTC
I can count on one hand the time's that I have posted on these forums, but this sudden information about POS changes being put on the back burner prompted me to do so.

To say that Wormholers, Nullsec, and low/high sec POS researchers and manufacturer's don't make up an amount of people significant enough to warrant a revamp is just plain silly in my opinion. And on top of that to basically say its to hard............

Someone in my corp had a good point, is there a monument we can all go blow up or something?

POS's need to be fixed, plain and simple.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#629 - 2013-01-17 13:24:44 UTC
space chikun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#630 - 2013-01-17 13:25:21 UTC
Cede Forster wrote:
it is very disappointing to see the big promises that are put out there, about how things will be done
and then watch the entire implementation process by a backpedaling from what was previously said

i wont bore you with examples, this just starts looking like blizzard when it comes to promises and implementation of it
and the excuses are even worse. it was known how many people would be affected by pos mechanics, just get the fracking job done as it was promised and then think twice before saying things you do not see through


I think it's perfectly fine for them to put off the modular POS revamp. I'm okay with that. But I am NOT okay with NO POS management improvements for 3 years.

Fuel blocks were not an improvement to POS management, they were an improvement to fuel management.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#631 - 2013-01-17 13:25:21 UTC
Lanthanusa wrote:
The problem of pos will be solved if a couple of ccp devs live and manage and produce and defend in a pos for a week.

After that week these couple of devs will be walking the streets of Iceland rambling things like "God we were doing walk in stations while half of the players waste their life in poses"


THIS

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
Gorl Abris
PonyWaffe
#632 - 2013-01-17 13:25:38 UTC
One of the few times i feel really bad about being in the 1 %...

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make POS maintenance easier CCP.
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#633 - 2013-01-17 13:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Summer Isle
I am one of the people who have avoided using a POS due to the videos I've seen about them, and the horrors I've heard people talking about with them. They were one of the things I resubbed for, hoping to get something set up in a C1 or C2, or perhaps some lowsec space, but have been dreading what I've seen of the POS system.

Who knows? Perhaps with a revamp, more people would begin to use them; as well, with a revamp, perhaps some of the empty systems where people go to rat and nothing else (such as systems without an NPC station), a revamp of the POS system would give people a way to begin living in those systems and making them a base, instead of a system they kill a few rats in as they pass through.

Also, while POS's may only be used by a small portion of the community, a significantly larger portion of the community is affected by them, using the products produced in them. Directly, only a small percentage of people may use them, but indirectly, I would be willing to wager that a fairly substantial percentage of the population have a critical need of them.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Dr Agropoly
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#634 - 2013-01-17 13:26:35 UTC
Saying that pos security changes only affects the ones who manage the pos makes me wonder if the one who wrote that has ever used a pos or ever been in a wormhole for that matter.If things get stolen from the corp your in of course it affects you in some way, if it's your personal stuff that gets stolen even more so.

This also affects all corps doing invention, research, and all other processes on a member level. Even if there might not be all the people in the corp that does this all members are usually affected by it because of money coming into the corp, being able to buy stuff cheaper from corpmates and so on. And even if would only affect the people managing the pos, the system behind pos management sucks so bad that setting up a pos is just painfull and a ui nightmare in general. The people managing the poses are also probably the most valuable people in I'd say most corps in Eve so don't think of it as helping a few people, think of it as helping your vip's. Any company that doesn't take care of their vip's are missing out on customer satisfaction from not only them but from most of the people connected to that vip as well, and vip's most often have a lot of connections.

Last of all, don't **** parts of your customer base of with quotes like that, even if we are just a small part of Eve. That is like saying a marketing campaign failed because you didn't get 80 more customers so we better not market at all. Anyone that has any marketing sense at all is probably going to agree that is just stupid. Even if the number of people affected would be 500 it would still not be okay to treat paying customers with that little respect. If you don't go out of you way changing the 500 peoples game play I can understand that but at east don't tell them that they don't matter, just a friendly advice even if I don't feel very friendly about you right now..
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#635 - 2013-01-17 13:27:53 UTC
32 pages in less than 10 hours? yeah, clearly only insignificant minority cares about POSes...

SSC Brokering Service
Eternal Corrosion
The Truskers
#636 - 2013-01-17 13:28:20 UTC
We want our POS new system, you damn CCP

I will always love LowSec
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#637 - 2013-01-17 13:28:32 UTC
Review POS please ccp!
Aenea Dustshine
Cerulean Void
#638 - 2013-01-17 13:28:36 UTC
I am at loss of words. It has been so many years players are asking for a revamp of this terrible placeholder concept of a personal starbase. Just fix it already.
Sasha Angelis
Tax Evasion Corp 5347
#639 - 2013-01-17 13:29:19 UTC
POSs need a serious rework
Feledain
Elmsfeuer
#640 - 2013-01-17 13:29:43 UTC
A whole expansion for a new POS system that makes sense?

Thats the kind i would buy in a store.