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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#521 - 2013-01-17 12:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: The Slayer
Wasn't there talk at some point about roving bands of marauders burning the crops of the massive space empires? I must be confused but how were we planning on achieving this without a revamp to pos? Were you actually going to add spacefrields at some point, did I think this was an analogy when in fact you were going to actually let us burn things in space?

POS would be a great focal point for fighting if there weren't so god damn ********.
Mjollnir Arcote
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
#522 - 2013-01-17 12:35:12 UTC
Only affects a small part of the player base?!?! The drugs must be good over there at CCP headquarters.

Everything runs on POSes and the abuse CCP inflicts on people that have to run them violates some sort of international convention I'm sure.

Even when I took a few years off from null sec, still couldn't escape the bane that is EVE POS mechanics.

It *needed* to be fixed years ago, saying its not worth the effort now is just plain insulting.
Osmoses
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#523 - 2013-01-17 12:35:33 UTC
fix it!
fixher
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
#524 - 2013-01-17 12:35:57 UTC
I am a small portion of the community
Mirotrem
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#525 - 2013-01-17 12:36:20 UTC
I use POS on a daily basis and want to kill myself, I would very much enjoy not wanting to kill myself.
Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
#526 - 2013-01-17 12:37:46 UTC
I do not know where to begin expressing my anger that CCP uses the lame currently broken system's usage rates as a benchmark for effectivity of the revamp effort.


  • A new POS system was supposed to allow single nomad players and small groups to build a home away from home, up to alliances temporary staging facility and headquarters.
  • A new POS can be conflict driver for small gangs and big fleets depending on the size of the object
  • A new POS can be game-play and role-play opportunity


How can CCP think its only about crappy management tools which the broken system is the only reason that makes them necessary.

A new POS system is for all 300,000 players and all 600,000 accounts.

*aaargghhh*
Vince Hawke
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#527 - 2013-01-17 12:38:00 UTC
I support a revamp!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#528 - 2013-01-17 12:39:00 UTC

I was going to keep this for myself but maybe it gives someone at CCP a bit more motivation then my other post here, to stand up in the canteen and jell " YES! WE'RE GOING TO FIX THOSE XXX POS!".


My previous corp had a highsec POS then my ex-CEO in a new character (long story) declared me 'not playing EVE', and ran away with 3 Bil. of BPO's and all my POS modules.

Because that's EVE too, I didn't made much fuzz about it. I'll just research a new Archon BPO, I thought at the time, said goodbye to the corp, since it was clear that the previous CEO could no longer be trusted and jumped back into my old two man corp.

I bought a new tower, bunches of new POS modules, waited a week for the standings to go up and off I went anchoring the POS. After it was online I docked up, grabbed as much modules from my hangar floor that I could fit into the cargo bay and jumped back to the POS.

Half an hour later I docked and moved the POS modules back into my hangar.

Why? Because I realized I hated it. I HATE anchoring stuff especially outside the POS shield. I HATE waiting for every single piece to online. And I hate the interface. I hate how it bugs out at times.

I hate having to CONSTANTLY put in the POS password after every dock/undock. And I hate how it looks. It looks like a stick in space. Not something a capsuleer (demigod) would use or looks up to. It looks like anything but a Player Owned Starbase.

Starbase. It's not a starbase! It's a frakking place holder. How can CCP not want to update this relic from the past?



Don't get me wrong, I want to use it but not as the old outdated Piece Of Sh* it's now.


CCP, please fix!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#529 - 2013-01-17 12:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Maybe it's a small part of the player base, because many many players are simply pissed off with POSes and never want to see them again. EVER.

It's not rocket science, POSes as of now and their interface, including roles, is utter shite. Ran one for ages, couldn't bear doing it again. The only time it became less of a chore, was when the fuel blocks were coming and the POS fuel hanger was massive. Short lived.

They suck and so does this decision.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Kristof Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#530 - 2013-01-17 12:39:15 UTC
I've wanted to start up my own POS for ages, but after reading about how painful they are to manage I've avoided doing so. When you talk about the "small part of the community" you're only looking at the people who already run a POS. This could be a good way to start bringing farms and fields back to null.
Wolfduke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#531 - 2013-01-17 12:39:37 UTC
Fix this ****
Steven Hackett
Overload This
#532 - 2013-01-17 12:39:51 UTC
Some thoughts on the minutes take the POS changes.

Quote:
It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that “is what will kill the business”.


The other day i read a devblog from CCP Seagul talking about the role of Senior Producer. In this devblog she talks about "Design for 'Enablers' and 'Instigators'".
here is a quote for your pleasure:
Quote:
There are some people who make things work - they pre-fit ships for a fleet op, they run mega-spreadsheets for the industry production lines needed to equip the war effort, build tools to manage a corporation or command large fleets. Their activities enable others to have fun in EVE.


I do believe the Enablers is a rather small portion of the player base and I am pretty sure that CCP's definition of an Enabler, also covers the people managing a POS.

The devblog also reads:
Quote:
We will start working to give the ”Enablers” better tools, and to make sure “Instigators” have cool and worthwhile ways to make an impact on the EVE universe when they inspire others to join them.


Now please tell me.. How can giving Enablers better tools, to make sure the rest of the players can enjoy this game to its full potential be worse, than giving enablers better tools, to make sure the 1%(Instigators) have fun?

Does CCP really believe that the playerbase using POS's is a smaller portion than the 1% of the players, Seagul wants to go out her way to please?

Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game is exactly what CCP has done the last long time. Crimewatch, bounties, hell.. even Dust, is focused on a small singular aspect of the game. Some would say it is not, but it is a question of perspective.

The POS revamp for example, is not a singular aspect of the game.
The way CCP talked about removing pos shields, you are talking about a game altering effect that will change the gameplay forever.
With fixes to security and ship storing, you are opening a door named "w-space" for a lot of EVE Players who would never be trusted because of fear of thefts.

If CCP see the pos revamp as a small singular aspect of the game, then I am afraid that CCP have lost the very things that made EVE possible. The ability to look outside the box. The ability to be inventive and the ability to HTFU.

I hope Unifex made a mistake in the minuts and said something he didn't mean - If not, Seagul and Unifex needs a talk about pow rewamps, CREST and all other change that only affect a "small portion of the community"..
Helican Vamberfeld
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#533 - 2013-01-17 12:40:36 UTC
Every day I have to interact with the the horrid interface and permission system.

FIX IT!
Obifix
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
#534 - 2013-01-17 12:40:49 UTC
Please fix the posses

I am a small portion of the community
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#535 - 2013-01-17 12:40:49 UTC
We NEED POS revamp, don't you guys understand!? We are in PAIN with the current system!!!

I Just lost the hope that CCP will do something as significant as a "Sand Castle POS" where you could shape it with 99% freedom... but not even a modular POS1?!?!? WTH!!!! WTF!!!!
Xion Sharvas
St. Sixtus
#536 - 2013-01-17 12:42:18 UTC
Keep to your promises.

I am a small portion of the community
NickG158 Sasen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#537 - 2013-01-17 12:42:59 UTC
Fix it please.
Vektom
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#538 - 2013-01-17 12:43:37 UTC
Please revamp POS's.
Beautiful Frelcia
Whale Girth
#539 - 2013-01-17 12:44:23 UTC
+1 for POS fixing.

I want modular POSes!!!
AnarchoCap Ahashion
Tax Haven Shhh
#540 - 2013-01-17 12:45:15 UTC
CCP, please fix the POS's (even if its only the interface)