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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Lanthanusa
Surfers of the Apocalypse
#241 - 2013-01-17 09:55:37 UTC
The problem of pos will be solved if a couple of ccp devs live and manage and produce and defend in a pos for a week.After that week these couple of devs will be walking the streets of Iceland rambling things like "God we were doing walk in stations while half of the players waste their life in poses"
Dettol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2013-01-17 09:55:42 UTC
Please make POS upgrades a top priority
Kaisii
Constantine.
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
#243 - 2013-01-17 09:56:45 UTC
Fix POS soooooon
Gankula
Lead Farmers
#244 - 2013-01-17 09:58:29 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!


Give us secure storage CCP or the monument gets it!
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#245 - 2013-01-17 09:59:35 UTC
From Here

Quote:
Item Count Neg Score Neg Popular Name
34 1179 7 3,047.18 11.76 25.93% Docking games fix (CSM)
28 1122 2 2,894.59 4.29 24.68% Corporation and Alliance tool overhaul (CSM)
82 1010 0 2,620.75 0.00 22.22% Overhaul of roles and grantable roles system (CSM)
143 1001 39 2,604.45 103.49 22.02% War-dec mechanics (CSM)
91 954 5 2,529.96 10.75 20.99% Remote repping and aggression (CSM)
3 919 3 2,165.76 5.36 20.22% Add the feature of switching characters without relogging. (CSM)
14 902 2 2,113.26 5.50 19.84% Black Ops Improvements (CSM)
8 895 5 2,080.09 12.03 19.69% Assault Frigates 4th Bonus (CSM)
54 750 0 2,001.42 0.00 16.50% History of who added/kick character from Corporation
76 675 0 1,847.57 0.00 14.85% More Control Over Medals (CSM)
35 787 3 1,832.17 2.77 17.31% Drone improvements (CSM)
75 763 0 1,818.80 0.00 16.78% Modular Starbase (CSM) (includes Funky POS recommendation (CSM))


Modular starbases are12th on that list... but a lot of these have already been fixed/implemented so...
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#246 - 2013-01-17 10:02:00 UTC
oh and here's this as well:

Quote:
Results without Eve University (Ivy League) Votes

Item Count Neg Score Neg Popular Name
3 892 3 2,104.64 5.36 22.53% Add the feature of switching characters without relogging. (CSM)
14 889 2 2,085.54 5.50 22.45% Black Ops Improvements (CSM)
8 871 5 2,027.78 12.03 21.99% Assault Frigates 4th Bonus (CSM)
75 754 0 1,797.02 0.00 19.04% Modular Starbase (CSM) (includes Funky POS recommendation (CSM))


yes... the 4th most wanted thing behind assault frig buff (already done) blops improvement and switching characters without re-logging.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2013-01-17 10:02:08 UTC
Lanthanusa wrote:
The problem of pos will be solved if a couple of ccp devs live and manage and produce and defend in a pos for a week.After that week these couple of devs will be walking the streets of Iceland rambling things like "God we were doing walk in stations while half of the players waste their life in poses"


Hell, just make them plan and set up a large POS with both industry and armaments. I doubt they'd even finish it before they either started planning a revamp or committed themselves to an institution.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Sadron
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#248 - 2013-01-17 10:03:21 UTC
Person who lives in pos I can say this thing is so messed up. And they need to get fixed, if not the UI , then the layout.
Felix Macey
Lead Farmers
#249 - 2013-01-17 10:03:28 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!


I work with reactions. I work with production. I work with research. All at POS. They are all mind-numbingly horrible, but all I want is my ships to be secure!
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-01-17 10:03:40 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
From Here

Quote:
Item Count Neg Score Neg Popular Name
34 1179 7 3,047.18 11.76 25.93% Docking games fix (CSM)
28 1122 2 2,894.59 4.29 24.68% Corporation and Alliance tool overhaul (CSM)
82 1010 0 2,620.75 0.00 22.22% Overhaul of roles and grantable roles system (CSM)
143 1001 39 2,604.45 103.49 22.02% War-dec mechanics (CSM)
91 954 5 2,529.96 10.75 20.99% Remote repping and aggression (CSM)
3 919 3 2,165.76 5.36 20.22% Add the feature of switching characters without relogging. (CSM)
14 902 2 2,113.26 5.50 19.84% Black Ops Improvements (CSM)
8 895 5 2,080.09 12.03 19.69% Assault Frigates 4th Bonus (CSM)
54 750 0 2,001.42 0.00 16.50% History of who added/kick character from Corporation
76 675 0 1,847.57 0.00 14.85% More Control Over Medals (CSM)
35 787 3 1,832.17 2.77 17.31% Drone improvements (CSM)
75 763 0 1,818.80 0.00 16.78% Modular Starbase (CSM) (includes Funky POS recommendation (CSM))


Modular starbases are12th on that list... but a lot of these have already been fixed/implemented so...


Except that the issues with POS's go far beyond the tower itself. From the quote you posted alone I see corporation and alliance tool overhaul including many of the issues we have with POS's, same thing with the overhaul of roles and grantable roles system.
Danph
Cypher Systems
#251 - 2013-01-17 10:05:17 UTC
Fix POS CCP!
Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#252 - 2013-01-17 10:05:48 UTC
I am using a lot of poses. Improve them CCP
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#253 - 2013-01-17 10:05:57 UTC
Liarali wrote:
CCP, your stance on this is unacceptable. You're spitting in the face of selfless logi bros everywhere.


logibro's are the best bros, bar none.

I <3 you logibros ;_;

The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex

Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#254 - 2013-01-17 10:08:23 UTC
http://eve-search.com/thread/391410-0/page/1

After 6-7 years this has become more then just flogging a horse, but still is an elephant in the room for CCP. But who cares about the vocal minority right.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Jimmy The Rustler
Lead Farmers
#255 - 2013-01-17 10:08:51 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!


Fix them noaw!
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#256 - 2013-01-17 10:09:31 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
From Here

Quote:
Item Count Neg Score Neg Popular Name
34 1179 7 3,047.18 11.76 25.93% Docking games fix (CSM)
28 1122 2 2,894.59 4.29 24.68% Corporation and Alliance tool overhaul (CSM)
82 1010 0 2,620.75 0.00 22.22% Overhaul of roles and grantable roles system (CSM)
143 1001 39 2,604.45 103.49 22.02% War-dec mechanics (CSM)
91 954 5 2,529.96 10.75 20.99% Remote repping and aggression (CSM)
3 919 3 2,165.76 5.36 20.22% Add the feature of switching characters without relogging. (CSM)
14 902 2 2,113.26 5.50 19.84% Black Ops Improvements (CSM)
8 895 5 2,080.09 12.03 19.69% Assault Frigates 4th Bonus (CSM)
54 750 0 2,001.42 0.00 16.50% History of who added/kick character from Corporation
76 675 0 1,847.57 0.00 14.85% More Control Over Medals (CSM)
35 787 3 1,832.17 2.77 17.31% Drone improvements (CSM)
75 763 0 1,818.80 0.00 16.78% Modular Starbase (CSM) (includes Funky POS recommendation (CSM))


Modular starbases are12th on that list... but a lot of these have already been fixed/implemented so...


Except that the issues with POS's go far beyond the tower itself. From the quote you posted alone I see corporation and alliance tool overhaul including many of the issues we have with POS's, same thing with the overhaul of roles and grantable roles system.


Think I'm going to have to agree with you. There are so many different issues intertwined with pos mechanics that they need a huge overhaul and conceptualisation. Similar to what happened with crime watch last year.

If it's a case of ccp getting back to us and saying. "look, we're going to look at corp and alliance tools and roles as a pre-cursor to the pos overhaul" then at least it'd be a first step.
Danny Shihari
Lead Farmers
#257 - 2013-01-17 10:11:09 UTC
I am not just a small portion of the community!
Dgram Loop
Dutch Squad
#258 - 2013-01-17 10:11:10 UTC
Please fix POS'es CCP, if not the interface or a major overhaul just start with the severely limited roles available to restrict structure usage, or perhaps expand divisions to 100 (or more) but make them hidden by default.
SMA divisional access would also help on storage as ships no longer need to be put in CHA for security reasons in shared POS'es.

Also where is the monument I should be shooting at to "peacefully demonstrate" this decision to fix POS later(TM)
Aura of Ice
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2013-01-17 10:13:01 UTC
FFS FIX POS CCP!
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2013-01-17 10:13:43 UTC
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
Think I'm going to have to agree with you. There are so many different issues intertwined with pos mechanics that they need a huge overhaul and conceptualisation. Similar to what happened with crime watch last year.

If it's a case of ccp getting back to us and saying. "look, we're going to look at corp and alliance tools and roles as a pre-cursor to the pos overhaul" then at least it'd be a first step.


Exactly, if they'd only look at fixing the corp roles, I'd be more than happy with that. If they'd manage to add POS security into the new role mechanic, perhaps with roles specific to a certain tower vs. the current all towers, even that'd be a huge improvement that would make things better for literally every single area of the game.