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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2013-01-17 08:41:27 UTC
I've never owned a POS. I've never used a POS. But I wouldn't complain if they were given some development love.
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2013-01-17 08:42:08 UTC
Fix POS's... "no one uses them " is a crap excuse - no one uses them they'de complicated, broken and difficult to use , and can be applied to almost anything that has been redone in late expansions. Old t1 frigs? No one used them beyond a select few. Bounty system? No one used it. Kill rights? Nope. FW was forgotten. But then you changed them and now people use them!

I was at the London meet and talked to the to Devs there. The initial ideas for the POS rework sounded fantastic, and was easily my most anticipated feature of 2013 - far above ship balancing and everything else. To hear CCP have gone "lol nope" is... extremely saddening.
Indus Fervens
Perkone
Caldari State
#183 - 2013-01-17 08:42:50 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Ellente Fervens wrote:
I read the blog post.
I was tempted to come in here dropping f bombs left, right and center.

a few deep breaths later and here I am.

I just resubed. Only because I thought the POS system was about to get better.
I am about to go and remove the auto sub from all of my accounts. They will expire unless the CSM post a clear and emphatic "POS life WILL be improved in May." once the 'planing phase' is done.


Y'all got Soon(tm) bombed! Ohooo!


Big smile

I'd retort that we were Soon(tm)ed about 6 months ago.
Harnath Boloskarl
Deep Space Search and Rescue Team
#184 - 2013-01-17 08:43:46 UTC
Having read or at least skimmed through every single page of this thread so far, I have not seen a single person stating they were against a POS revamp. If there is anyone sincerely against it, please post in this thread, and prove that I'm crazy.

What I would like to see from CCP is some hard numbers on the useage of POSes. Such figures would be:


* the number of currently active POSes in each class of sapce (high, low, null and WH)
* numbers of POSes taken down and put up each day
* numbers of blueprints researched or invented
* trade volume and value of POS modules and fuel.
* the number of people currently living primarily out of POSes (hint: every single wormholer)
* average setup and takedown time of a large residential or industrial POS with full defenses, fuel and ammunition loaded.

Please CCP, prove to us that every single person disagreeing with you in this thread is insignificant, and not worth your time.
oHAWKo
Old Bittervets
Deepwater Hooligans
#185 - 2013-01-17 08:46:37 UTC
Pls do something with the current pos structure.

I am a part of the eve population that it affects.
Sao DaSilva
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#186 - 2013-01-17 08:47:26 UTC
+1
Indus Fervens
Perkone
Caldari State
#187 - 2013-01-17 08:51:24 UTC
Mocam wrote:
Heimdallofasgard wrote:
....


I'll bring this to you in a slightly different way, you don't seem to be seeing what I do here. Unless you understand some aspects of software design complexities, you may not see potential problems -- we don't have the code to look at nor understand what "hacks" have been done to enable and disable certain types of functionality (such as POS shields, passwords on them, "POS bowling" 'fixes', etc.)

lots of other quite legitimate stuff.


All this is totally valid, and I say roll the dice, lets the ball fall where it may. FFS, I am happy to evac the hole leaving scanners only in there if it means we can then take brand new sparkly poses back in That aren't a complete ball ache to use.

For instance, I have three different reaction lines set up in my pos. Why? because I live in a WH and the corp cannot give out starbase config to everyone. It is directors only. So I can't change which reactions I have in the reactors. I can't change what materials go into the silos. So I offline the entire production line that is no longer profitable and bring on one that is, until that product dives.
Tovi Thibault
Eastern Sun
#188 - 2013-01-17 08:51:59 UTC
I just set up my first POS and am still struggeling with the managing options.
I think the setup as well as the management part of a POS need some major improvements.
GizzyBoy
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#189 - 2013-01-17 08:54:54 UTC
/me Facepalm
for the last 3 years ive been interacting nearly daily with poses.

Currently pos interaction accounts for nearly 15% of my online time,

To say that they are only interested in what new players are able to do is a self made trap.

all players who leave npc corps are going to come into contact with poses, in fact one could argue with the ability to have your own home floating in space, it could be an enticement for more people to leave npc corps and strike out on there journeys to other realms of space much sooner.
Van Kuzco
Perkone
Caldari State
#190 - 2013-01-17 08:55:52 UTC
If they would just focus on little things I'd be ecstatic.

-Being able to use containers inside a POS to organize things
-Allowing alliance members to use POS structures such as Research/Reaction Labs
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2013-01-17 08:56:24 UTC
I think the POS revamp is something that will affect most players in some regard. From highsec, lowsec, null to w-space. In my corp there are 200+ that would love see a change.
Guntaro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#192 - 2013-01-17 08:57:43 UTC
do it
Alec Freeman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2013-01-17 08:58:42 UTC
Soundwave is bloody clueless. This will affect more than just you Sovereign holding power blocks.

+support
Jivlain Pollard
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#194 - 2013-01-17 09:00:44 UTC
Definitely support. The defects of the current POS system have wide reaching effects - all of which prevent people from doing more to interact with their POS in whatever space they're in. People don't interact with their POSes more because the system is too broken to let them. POSes absolutely need a lot of development love.
X4me1eoH
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#195 - 2013-01-17 09:04:50 UTC
signed, we need new pos.

Гайды по еве: https://www.youtube.com/user/X4me1eoH/feed?&ab_channel=X4me1eoH
Steven Grlscz
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#196 - 2013-01-17 09:05:10 UTC
Posted for a modular POS re-do.Cool
TheMasterSenor
Lelaenalem
#197 - 2013-01-17 09:05:54 UTC
+1 for POS changes..
MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#198 - 2013-01-17 09:06:48 UTC
Small and insignificant my voting subscription paying ass it is!
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#199 - 2013-01-17 09:07:20 UTC
Time for POSes to be what they should be not the mess they are.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#200 - 2013-01-17 09:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Under direction of CCP Soundwave, you took a small step for the countless POS owners and maintenance people, which was a big step for the whole of EVE by streamlining what was once called the POS fuel nightmare.

I don't see why you cannot add another step, and then another step to update the nearly decade old POS system (a placeholder for crying out loud) gradually, unless of course you just don't want to.