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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Nycterix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-01-17 07:26:04 UTC
POSes need a revamp. This is readily apparent, and a very large number of players use them.

This was something I was looking forward to from last year's minutes, and to hear this attitude from CCP is very, very disappointing.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#142 - 2013-01-17 07:31:55 UTC
To marginalise POS users is to marginalise a LOT of players...

and to decide against implementing something which... when CCP told the CSM at last years summit they were working on... caused absolute, outright GLEE amongst them... is flat out ignoring the CSM... perhaps even going AGAINST what they think... I mean... WTF ccp!?!?
Mad Mobius
VICE.
#143 - 2013-01-17 07:33:45 UTC
This thread is why I voted for Two Step with all of my votes. Please fix Starbases. They have burnt to many directors from the constant management issues and they suck. WE WANT BETTER STUFF!
nezrel black
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#144 - 2013-01-17 07:35:32 UTC
Post.

Fix the broken things, like fitting, UI... pain in the ass management of just about everything about them?
Sigras
Conglomo
#145 - 2013-01-17 07:36:37 UTC
Jedediah Arndtz wrote:
[quote=Marc Scaurus]Perhaps it could be that current active POS managers are only a small portion of the community because POSes are so bad right now. I once lived in a wormhole and it was a great way to make ISK. The reason I left? Managing the POS that was our supposed home, but felt more like a lean to or something Bear Grylls would make whilst swilling his own ****.

In short, if the POS management community is small, it's only through the continuing failure by CCP to grow it through (at the least) an accessible management system.

This.

basically this is the same flawed logic that CCP had when they said that they only worked on balancing the ships that had the biggest impact on the player base . . .

This logic lead to several ships (The Eos, the electronic attack ships, black ops ships) never getting looked at because nobody flew them.

now this is fine logic until you realize that nobody flies them because they suck and never got looked at.

POSs and the economy are clearly the two most broken things in Eve, and should be fixed immediately.

IMHO if you want to make a list of priorities, they should be based on what is most broken, not what effects the most people.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-01-17 07:36:38 UTC
CCP seems to see POSes solely as a tool for research, production, wh life, ... and forgets that POSes are also a tool for players and corporations to leave their mark on the world, their very own little castle.

"Our own POS" already is a stock goal of empire-based corporations - completely regardless of whether they have an actual use for the capabilities offered by a POS or not.

If the POS system would not be quite as terrible as it is POSes would quickly become the EVE equivalent of player-owned housing in other MMOs.

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Lamai Dahma
The Dirty Logi
#147 - 2013-01-17 07:37:04 UTC
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Please fix our POS's :(
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#148 - 2013-01-17 07:37:10 UTC
I was soooo close:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
#13 Posted: 2012.05.31 20:21

I'd hazard a guess:

* The next major POS upgrade is going to be V3 shaders.
* A few years later, the force field will get a facelift, returning to the rainbow soap-bubble look.
* Fuel block icons enhanced to a 3D transparent glass-like look.
* Anchoring / On-lining / Reinforced timer text will be improved with a new font, scaling, and drop-shadows.
* New racial POS soundtracks will be added.

All the sort of important things we've been begging for for years.

/bittervet
David Zahavi
Doomheim
#149 - 2013-01-17 07:39:24 UTC
I can't imagine the current POS system still lasting another 2 years. I'll for sure have quit by then from this wonderful thing called BURNOUT.
Syn Fatelyng
Redanni
#150 - 2013-01-17 07:40:22 UTC
I would be more inclined to install POSes for my corporation if fuel consumption was proportionate to the modules online.
Debes Sparre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#151 - 2013-01-17 07:40:40 UTC
I support this product and/or service.
Saul Hyperion
Palmetto Galactic
#152 - 2013-01-17 07:44:19 UTC
signed
Petrus Justinianus
Trinity Collective Co.
DammFam
#153 - 2013-01-17 07:44:51 UTC
ccp's line of thinking: people aren't using pos's enough because they are so terrible, therefore there aren't enough people using them for them to be important
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#154 - 2013-01-17 07:46:51 UTC
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This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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John DaiSho
Quam Singulari Industry
Roid Suckers
#155 - 2013-01-17 07:48:47 UTC
Two step wrote:
I wrote a blog post about the summit, here: http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-am-small-portion-of-community.html

If you want CCP to work on the POS system, either by improving the current one or by starting work on the long awaited Modular POS system, post here.


If I want? I do want!
Lithorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-01-17 07:48:57 UTC
I agree with 2 step, I own several pos's and in the past have been a maintainer of a network of pos's for an alliance. Its a lot of work, things got better with the minor revamp of fuel and module anchoring times but more is needed.
Dcna
Nehe Umbrella
#157 - 2013-01-17 07:50:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dcna
I was waiting for the POS revamp so that me and my friends could move back into a WH. Looks like that won't be happening.

I use a POS all the time to make t2 modules that other people use to make explosions. Except since "only a small" amount of people are actually managing them means it has no value? I think this thinking is flawed horribly. Just look at how happy soooo many eve players were when it was announced that POSes would be revamped and that everyone will have one...now it will be even less people if anything, not more.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#158 - 2013-01-17 07:50:35 UTC
I invite CCP Unifex to keep his character in W-space for a couple of weeks.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Rina Kondur
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#159 - 2013-01-17 08:01:07 UTC
Adding my voice to the request for POS revamps.
Yuluthu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#160 - 2013-01-17 08:06:40 UTC
poses dont affect enough carebears to warrant change pro logic