Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We have some plans to help mitigate those challenges but nothing quite ready to announce yet.

IRRITATING ISN'T IT

Quoting for the mother ******* truth.

-Liang

Game Designers can at least be trusted to make fairly reasonable decisions without much personal greed getting in the way. Players, OTOH, are absolutely 100% willing to utterly destroy a game's long term success for winning a fight tomorrow or making a few more ISK today.

-Liang

After thoroughly looking through the stats:

Prophecy: Drone boat?? Ummm ok i guess dont fly them. 75 bandwidth? lol wut

harbinger: lul wut? good luck fitting anything decent on that ****. doesn't really need the +25 drone bay but ok sure

Ferox: looks pretty decent dont really fly them

Drake: good nerf, fine with that

Brutix: agree with everyone else, dont need two ships bonused to armor repair, whatever you do dont give it 5 mids, people already shield tank them

Myrm: looks good

Cyclone: Missile boat? not sure how i feel about that. as ive flown the cyclone extensively, i think the dps would be to low to be competitive. Definitely does not need another low slot. As a shield brawler it is already using all its mid slots trying to fit tank and tackle. Def needs another mid instead of low. 50 drone bandwidth/bay is much appreciated though. ******* annoying using split drones. Btw when are you actually going to take more than 30 mins to fix ASB's? the asb 'nerf' is a ******* joke.

Hurricane: Still going to be king by the looks of it. Lol @ 3 launchers though wtf? even two is going full ******, with one utilty high nobody will be fitting a missile launcher, except the noob fit canes that i constantly kill.

Pretty **** balancing there tbh

People were already bitching about cruisers having bc stats this is a massive nerf to most bc and with the recent buff to t1 cruisers makes it even worse. Where is the line? Because i dont see it.

@CCP Fozzie
I know you were/are a long time EVE player fozzie before CCP hired you. I didn't know you before, i dont know your playstyle, i hardly know anything about you, but this is some of the worst balancing ive seen. You have been playing EVE for what, years now? I find it hard to believe you dont know the strength and weakness of each ship by now, and what it will take to make them balanced. Hurricane has been king for years now, and as much as i love the cane, it's time for a change.

Sorry for calling you out like that, maybe I dont know what im talking about, after all CCP hired you not me. Please be clear this is not a personal attack on you, I am just trying to rap my head around your mentality, are these your personal changes, or is it "Team Five-0". After the many nerfs to criminal activities in highsec, removal of static frigate plexes, lowsec space being generally ignored, and my play style being slowly phased out by CCP, I am genuinely concerned about the future of the EVE i have enjoyed playing for almost 3 years now.

/endrant p.s. sorry about any types, reallly stoned atm.

I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but I looked through the Dev comments and didn't see a response to it, but...


CCP had recently stated that they were going to try to get away from damage specific bonuses on missile boats because it partially negated one of the very benefits of missiles.

They explained that away on the destroyers(though I think it would have been better to make the minmatar a brawler and the caldari range), but my point is.

Why does the Drake still have a kinetic specific damage bonus?

It definitely would have helped with the recen hml nerfed had the drake been given a bonus towards all damage types, or at least a RoF bonus instead.

It seems to me that the drake is going to remain in the current boat it's in which is basically seeing less and less use everyday, and no one is bothering to replace them once they're destroyed unless they're still working on training for something else....

I'll await a reply if chosen for one....

Look again.

Hint: it's in the longest CCP post in this thread, which just so happens to be linked in the first post as well.

I think this should be on test server for at least a month before release, they are really rushing it. Also 60+ pages of comments (and at least 10% of them were actually mature, informative and well written, new record) and still no response from the devs.

Wishlist:
fix drone boats
give caldari utility high slot
nerf cyclone fitting, that thing can fit literally anything
and for the love of god dont nerf harbinger that much

It's not long overdue after a series of power creeping the tiers of ships below BC. By the simple nature of making Cruisers and Frigates way more durable and faster, BC's got nerfed. Going overkill by nerfing the BC class directly on top of those other changes means there's hardly a justification for a ship 3x the cost of minerals and no real role if the changes go through as proposed.

Drake has a problem with a stupid tank bonus when it should have never ever gotten one from the start. It needs to swap out the resist for missile velocity and remove the role of brawler. Otherwise, it's stealing both the Ferox and the Cyclones primary roles.

Amarr have no decent snipe boat BC or below and this was a perfect opportunity to make the Prophecy into an APOC mini but instead, we got a repeat drone boat that has 5 ships in game that already share that role around the cruiser/BC class.

Harbinger was always pretty good, but just lacked a slight bit of fittings... dunno why they changed anything other than maybe swapping a mid for an extra low.

Myrm is one of the only decent changes if they would just add more drone bay for 2 flights of drones.

Ferox is an utter **** design that has never worked. I don't know why they continue to try this idea when there is now the NAGA which totally obsoletes it. Ferox also deserves a 6th mid rather than an extra low so that it can finally be the tanky ***** role the drake stole from it.

Cyclone is just flat stupid and another ode to the failure of class distinction CCP has been tossing around for years.

Hurricane is one of the few BC's finally balanced and yet they go and change it more with this patch.

I think everyone nailed the problem with the Brutix on the head. Bump up the Active repair to 10% per level and do something about it's high slots. Brutix could easily get a 7.5 or 10% damage bonus for one less gun and allow it to get a utility high slot. Then fix active repair and plating issues with ships and you might finally see it be useful.

What kind of crack are you smoking with the range? You want an optimal bonus on a blaster that has **** all optimal to begin with? Apply damage much easier on the slowest BC with the shortest range weapon of all 12 choices even with the optimal really means that much to you?

The fact that people even fly the blaster ferox is mind blowing loltastic pvp. It's a straight up troll ship and nothing more. People who buy into it being effective (which apparently includes the devs not supprisingly) are drinking some amazing juice of wonderment.

To answer your question about the oracle, it's a joke of Teir 3 design that you can even fit a 1600 plate on it. Proper balance would have never allowed that in the first place.