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What kind of ******** idea is that? Why won't items drop after we destroy the "container"? That's not how EvE works! Even PLEX drops, and items in POS' drop, why would items in the POCO not drop?

Earlier you were talking about how people would be taking theses down just for the sake of grief play. If that's the case, not having them drop anything is smart move. It ensures that taking these down is not a profitable venture, increasing the chances they will be left up or only taken down by someone with the intent to replace them. To what degree it will be effective is anyone's guess, but the fact that they cut that off in the thought process suggests that yes, they do play this game, to the point that they know exactly what you were thinking.

You may well be right on the point of needing defenses for the POCO's, I'm not going to debate that as it wasn't the aspect I was replying to. The point of my post is to emphasize how, considering that most of the posts saying this won't work simply because of grief play in lowsec, it makes no sense to be surprised by or complain about CCP listening to then and taking steps to remove obvious incentives to destroy the POCO's. It makes even less sense to say that it's evidence of CCP not knowing their game. If anything it shows that they are making game mechanics bend to give this some possibility of working, which means they have foreseen at least one of the problems it can cause.

Sorry but err; I think you CCP guys are still a few cells short of a brain. When you have a Corp settled in a WH and they own the Customs offices who the heck do you think they are going to charge for their usage when the Corp members are making stuff for the Corp anyway. No self respecting WH invader is going to be interested in doing PI, he just wants to shoot ****.. and rightly so. don’t forget the Corp numbers in WH space and its hmmm, random accessibility, kind of makes defending them effectively very unlikely, not so in low or null sec where groups can be assembled and fly in on both sides to have some pew-pew fun.
Setting up say a minimum of 6 Customs offices which bring in no revenue to their users, only added costs (Oh wait they might save a few measly K Isk on each transaction) to and from the planet for the outlay of close on 500 mil for the 6 gantries and the items to turn those six into customs offices. Interesting, do you run CCP's finances the same way, no? Thought so, like hell you would, you would be bankrupt in 6months or less. Typically you are applying low or null sec parameters to WH space which has its own rules, benefits, and risks, which means it should have slightly different parameters, as you have for the Empire ones. Not the same as Empire of course (that would be just as daft), but some which allow for the anomalies of WH life. I have tried to show what In my opinion is an error in your set up, by attempting to view it from both side, me I look forward to some pew- pew it may bring, but I don’t want to lose my fun by this method of seemingly downward logarithmic spiralling of WH targets which become too costly for corps to maintain.

I complained because this is now inconsistent with virtually everything else in Eve and is a lame bandaid on a very bad idea. Making them drop stuff makes them even better in nulsec. Even if they don't drop stuff blowing them up just the heck of it will be the new low sec hobby of griefers when they get bored camping the gates.

Also the more I think about this in WH the less sense it makes. There is no community of folks living cooperatively in WHs. There is usually one dominante group and everyone else is there to steal the WH or kill you.

Issler

you can set tax rates to 0% if you own the customs office, so you don't need to pay anyone.

IIRC Corp hangar contents of an Orca don't drop, so there is a precedent for special cases. Also the reasoning behind this has already been mentioned.

As far as WH's, after the initial investment you are set. Having them pop up as soon as a command center was laid down made less sense than this new system, and once it's up, the isolated nature of WH's means you are set. Yes, there is initial cost and logistics, but no maintenance of follow up and eventually it will pay for itself by removing import/export tariffs paid. (although the ROI may need looked at).

I do really like the idea of different sized PCO's. That certainly helps the economics for different planets with different resource levels and/or different sec status.

Some questions:

The 1,2,3,4k sizes... those are the sizes of the PCO packaged, the size of the cargo hold you need for hauling to the planet for anchoring? The PG/CPU is just for guns to be placed 5k outside the bubble?

I never tried to blow up something from inside the shield bubble in a POS. I assume that if I am in the bubble, I can attack freely? If that is true, why would I ever allow anyone else but corp/alliance mates access to the PCO? That would really hurt the economy as only those who own a PCO would be able to have a profitable PI operation on a planet. Taxes would then be a non-issue, as you wouldn't tax yourself.

If you do PI, would you be able to tell if the PCO gives you access without actually warping to the PCO? I assume that if I don't have access, your defense guns would shoot at me. Can you configure it so that you give someone access, but also configure the guns to shoot them?

The concern that I have with a corp locking out everyone not in their corp/alliance, particularly in low sec, but to a lesser extent in null, is that corps would own many more PCO's than they can or would effectively use for PI. If a planet currently has 10 random players doing PI on it, then this change takes effect, a corp puts up a PCO and locks out access to everyone else. Would that corp have 10 players doing PI on that planet? Probably not, probably far fewer. I just see a big impact on the economy and supply goes way down. I see the small individual, often noob, doing PI being locked out of doing PI for the most part and never venturing into low sec. I don't think that is a good thing for the game.

I disagree with the idea of a safe spot for haulers at the PCO. As one who does PI, that point is really my only point of vulnerability. I can't cloak and access the CO, and I can't cloak before moving away from the CO. Cloaky hauler properly fitted getting tackled at the gate? Damn unlikely, even for a decent sized gang. It really makes PI entirely safe, assuming that I have access to the PCO.

If I just put up a PCO, 2 minutes ago, do I get ejected from my own PCO because of standings that don't take effect until downtime? Or do standings configuration within the first 15 minutes or whatever of anchoring, does that take effect immediately regardless of when downtime is? If I am doing PI, do I get an email that a PCO on the planet that I am doing PI on just changed it's access and I'm no longer allowed after downtime? So a smart PCO owner would change the settings 10 minutes before downtime and effectively stop someone from having an profitable PI planet. That happened too many times to me and I would stop doing PI.

Does the size of the office give any limitations? Other than more defenses, what does a larger PCO do for me? Is there a limit to the taxes I can collect with a 10m PCO, and the limit goes up with larger PCOs? Who would ever attack a large PCO? I'm thinking a large PCO would have the defenses of a large POS. Not worth it given the income potential from a (any) planet I don't think.

Why would I bother to defend a 10m PCO? It's 10m, which is worth about a fitted t1 cruiser. The income? Bah, destroy mine and I'll put mine back up in a day or 2 after I destroy yours. The fear that I have with this is that a PCO is not worth defending, but gets destroyed so often you don't get a return on your investment. End result is everyone gives up on PCO's in low sec and there are no PCO's anywhere other than in high sec or in SOV/WH. I tend to think, that much of the PI materials that comes from low sec goes to small, high sec or industrial corps via the market. The majority of PI in null and WH, stays in null and WH space. Just see big ripples through the economy that are unintended.

Personally, I would have no interest in investing in something that could be destroyed that only nets me what, 10 or 20 mil ISK a week? I can invest 10 mil in station trading and double my money in a week, and thats without margin trading or the SP investment of PI. Fighting over, having to spend money to fuel the PCO, and all that crap, for 20 mil a week? That's for my corp, not me! I personally get nothing out of it, unless I am a 1 man corp. In which case, I can't defend any of my PCO's anyway.

What do you think would be a "target" payback time for a PCO of any size?

I don't like the idea of guns on a PCO, especially if you can lock anyone not in your corp out from the PCO. You and your corp essentially have a safe spot at the PCO. That goes against the idea of increasing player interaction. I don't think that anyone should be safe going to a PCO.

Like I said, I do like your idea of different sized PCOs. While some more questions need be answered, the other parts I think have problems.

I have not done the math for the economics. Too tired and too late. ;)

First thank you for your time reading this feed back CCP

My main concern like so many of my fellow PI ers is that we will be locked out from all the usefull planets in low sec by larger entities just because they can and they will
, acces should be allowed for all, i think most will not be that concern about 100%tax or atleast enlarge the command centre hold and payload significant, if you not going to change the standing acces , at the moment it can barely hold a day worth of p1 production at best and most of us don't have the time to come and empty it twice a day

The debate about if POCO should be destructable or not is interesting and some good valid points beeen made for both sides , i just keep a open mind

I think the majority of us like to know what you will be changing from your original concept