Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When did this thread change to being about drones and not the changes to tube BC lines?
There are plenty of Drone threads already.

Also, it probably got missed a couple of pages ago, but I suggested dropping the resist bonus on the Drake in favour of a missile.velocity bonus, like the other caldari missile boats.

Does anyone have opinions in that, for or against?

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I think the whole point of tiericide is to remove tiers and make all the hulls equally useful. Gearing them towards specific types of targets might contradict with this goal.



So what you are actually saying that on many so-called drone ships guns do more damage than drones, unless you fit them especially for drone damage. Drones are primary damage by design only on few select hulls, and even those hulls have some kind of bonus to guns. "Drones are primary weapon" is one of the oldest myths in EVE, and as a pure Gallente pilot I just wish people would forget it, the ships don't work that way.

But well, back to topic, does it look like most of the draft changes beside Harby are fine, and the most pressing rebalancing issues are actually active armor tanking and drones?

Giving the Myrmidon 125mbit of bandwidth would make 2 ships useless:

Ishtar and Dominix.

Redesigning the Ishtar to be a droneboat and still be very different from the usual droneboat would be doable, however making the dominix outperform the myrmidon as a droneboat would be very hard to achieve and probably break it.
Also, even with 75 mbit now, the Myrmidon can already pound pretty well on things it catches (don't comeup with 'YEAH WHEN IT CATCHES', that's what makes the myrmidon balanced. If it could catch everything, it would tear apart everything.), giving it the 100mbit makes it by far more dangerous as it already is. The use of a 3H-2M drone setup or 4H will significantly boost it's damage on big targets, and the ability to drop 4 sentries instead of 3 as now will make it more dangerous to ships that want to stay out of closerange, even small ships approaching.


If you really want to see a 125mbit Myrm though, what might be an approach to distinguish the myrm from the ishtar is the following:

Reduce Ishtar Bandwitdh/Bay to 75/125(175 or whatever) and give the Ishtar a bonus onto HAC skill which increases number of drones controlled by 1 per level. This would be hard to balance though, since it could use 5x Medium drones + a flight of EC-300... which could be a pain in the ass for everyone else. But it would be a totally different droneboat - thus specialized - than all the others out there right now.

But this Thread is about BC, so that shouldn't be discussed here - maybe i'll just start a thread and propose it there.

For that to work:

- The Damage bonus should be a R.o.F. bonus
- The mass/Speed/Agility Bonus should be looked at again
- Shield should be looked at as well.

If you just change the the Resistance bonus for a velocity bonus it will be a sitting duck brick that fires from ranges that don't realy matter.

not realy pro changing it this way or against it, but i you remove the risistance the Damage modifier should be a general or Rof

Bad idea, results in too much overlap with the Caracal, just like giving the Ferox a damage bonus (but with the Moa, obviously).

Since cruisers and BCs use the same weapons size, we can't have BCs effectively being big cruisers - it defeats the point of tiericide. Battlecruisers need to have different roles, relative to cruisers, which very likely requires different bonuses and significantly inferior mobility.

Well after Looking at all these ships for quite a while here is my feedback:

Prophecy: Moving this ship into a Drone boat seems to be a good idea. Problems arise only in the bandwidth issue. The best solution to this would be to reduce bandwidth to 50 M/Bit and increase the damage and HP bonus to 15 or 20% per level.

Harbinger: Excellent setup for the 6 guns with the 10% damage bonus. The ship only has problems in fitting and mobility.

Ferox: Very good setup and differentiates it from the Moa with the 10% optimal. Ship lacks a utility high for a gang link though. Suggest moving the extra low slot to a high slot for a gang link or utility.

Drake: Has a similar problem to the Ferox in that it lacks the utility high. Suggest reducing launcher hardpoints to 6 and increasing damage bonus to 10% per level. Also consider removing Kinetic only damage.

Brutix: Excellent setup. However like the Ferox and the Drake it lacks a utility high. Reduce number of gun slots to six and increase damage bonus to 10% per level.

Myrmidon: Although an excellent setup the drone bay is really too small. The 100 M/Bit bandwidth also causes other issues. Suggest increasing drone bandwidth to 125M/Bit and changing the drone damage bonus to a drone tracking bonus. Increase Drone bay to 250 m3 (2x 125m3)

Cyclone: The damage output of the 5 launchers is a little lackluster. Instead of increasing the number of launchers to 6, I would suggest increasing the RoF bonuse to 7.5% per level. Also consider moving a utility high slot to a mid. Dual utility highs are bad. We have already seen this on the Hurricane.

Hurricane: No complaints. Seems bang on.

If so, why is the Cane still an up-scaled Rupture?
More (or at least equal) slots everywhere, same awesome bonuses, same utility high.
Unless I'm missing something.

Or is that one ok, since it's WINMatar?
Or it's iconic, and has been so since forever, so no one cares?

whats wrong with them?? they are fine the way they are.

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If you think that you're an idiot.