EVE General Discussion

I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.

the funny thing is, you know who wrote a column about how great an addition incarna would be and then got rather embarassed when captain's quarters hit?

CSM chairman for life The Mittani

doesn't matter if you want it or not, the reality is CCP can't deliver

To the WiS haters, I never suggested stopping work in the FiS content. I am commenting that Hilmar is wrong about folks in Eve not wanting WiS, a lot do! And ending WiS development after delivering the only single player per instance prison cell MMO in the 'verse will be a constant reminder of how lame CCP is at things.

I'd suggest WoD is dead, not because there isn't a huge market for MMO vampire games, but because CCP finally realized there is no way to commercialize a game based on the Carbon engine.

What I want (and I think a lot of other folks) is for CCP to let us know there is staffing asigned to WiS, that they will farm the best suggestions that the players have offered about how WiS would make Eve better and finally they will be finding a new engine for WiS going forward.

We now have to live with a character generator a lot of us think isn't as good as the original one (at least if all we can do is sit locked in a prison cell with no promise of any improvements). I know I liked my previous portraits better.

Please CCP add some sort of interaction with other players in CQ! (you could let us tap code through the walls to the CQ next to us and at least make more like the prison cell it is!!!)

CCP show us you have a plan to go further than Captains Prison Rooms because if you claim you stopped because no one in Eve wants a WiS experience you are wrong or lying!

Issler

You're not wrong. The current CQ is not what Incarna should've been about. However, bashing the idea of WiS based on that CQ is hardly worth note, because the idea behind it is still good, it's just the realization of the idea that leaves a lot to desire. Abandoning whole WiS as it is just because some people can't see beyond the moment is not a good idea after making the first steps towards it. Delay it if it's not ready, sure, but abandon fully? Not smart.

CCP can't do it. they don't have the finances to fund three development projects at once, and incarna is actually WoD stuff. Before, it was EVE getting the short end of the stick, but that doesn't work because EVE pays the bills. Since DUST is actually close to release, it's WoD, and therefore Incarna, that get shelved until there's more money. You can't get both with CCP's finances

you know who probably didn't like incarna?

the 20-40k players who stopped playing

seriously how do you post those numbers and not get it

OP isn't correct: there is no more faith in CCP intention to implement WiS during next 8-20 months and majority of players who wanted WiS already unsubscribed and just waiting for game time to xpire while playing other games or waiting for KotOR.

Internet spaceships isn't the only entertaining pixels around.

You don't actually know why the quit though do you? It could of been:
Boredom
Lack of Direction and Future for EVE (FIS OR WIS)
Leaving because Incarna the way it was delivered, was lame and left them wanting more
Left for feeling cheated because their subs were being used for development of games they have no interest int
Left for the lack of communication on the behalf of the CCP staff
Left for any other reason
and I'm sure that some may have left due to a combination of all of the following?
certainly cannot justify your argument on numbers that you THINK are numbers that benefit your preferences

Even so, the point stands. CCP themselves have admitted that it was rushed (even if it took them YEARS to accomplish it), and as such, it's raw. And me myself am too acquainted with corporate policies to hold much faith in the words of a CEO, but I still maintain that done properly, WiS will (would) be an asset to EVE, something that really adds to the universe at whole, not just a small part of it.

I'll hold judgement on whether they can do it properly or not, but I shan't hold judgement on all the doomsayers predicting the end of the world just because it's a feature they don't want. This shouldn't be an unclear stance.

in the end, CCP still has not Polled or Surveyed their current and previous subscribers. If they survey people when they cancel (i don't know if they do because I haven't cancelled since a brief moment in 06) then I am sure they would (hopefully) use that feedback to at least really know why people cancelled.