Player Features and Ideas Discussion

6/5/6 myrm now. Why not make it 5/6/6 instead of completely removing a slot?

Trading out damage/weapons for mid-utilites would provide some more flexibility. Particularly options for drone modules.

Trust a Minmatar to be unable to read.

Except training Amarr cruiser is utterly pointless if I've trained hybrids. It just makes no sense to shoehorn both ships in to a fail active tanking role that'll just be wasted when the ships are used in fleets or small gangs, especially now with the common inclusion of cheap T1 logi ships.

edit: Also, it's not "I feel" Amarr are so much better in fleets. It IS that Amarr are better in fleets. Passive tank bonuses ARE better for fleets. Afflicting both Gallente combat BCs with self-repping active bonuses does nothing but gimp their use in group work.

Yeah i fcked up with that, to my defence i was sleepy, but still that was stupid. Damage buff is 7%.

And also i never said Harbinger should be shield tanked, i said it could be shield tanked, depends on what you want to do with it. And i didnt say you should do it because Hurricane does it, i just gave a cane as an example since they have same slot layout. As for comments about balance issues with that and that amarr should be exclusive armor tanked i think they are even more stupid than my math. Executioners can be shield tanked, Tormentors can be shield tanked, Arbitrator can be shield tanked, even Omen can be shield tanked in a kite fit but that thing has big capacitor issues to be really effective. And CCP cant really do much to prevent it if they even share your opinion that they should be exclusive armor tanked, and they dont.

And yes, for solo/small gank you should shield tank Harbinger, and it is not underpowered at all. And also you can passive shield tank it for pve, with 60k buffer and 300ehp regen against sansha, and still have space for two heat sinks.

You're reading something I didn't say and I don't know how you could have gotten it from what I wrote.

I was not suggesting Amarr get active tanking bonuses nor was I suggesting that Gallente are equal to Amarr in a fleet because passive resist bonus is much better for that. I guess I worded it poorly and what I should have said is that if you feel you don't want to use Gallente in a fleet or your FC won't take it then cross train. The active rep bonus on Gallente and the resistance bonus on Amarr is not new and if all you trained for is hybrids then you'll have to make do for now I don't think the general tanking trend between races could have escaped your notice for this long. You CAN still train lasers/drones if you want and getting Amarr cruiser 3 before battlecruiser becomes a racial skill will get you free SP for the Amarr battlecruisers when they do separate so it will benefit you anyway even if Amarr BC is a distant goal at best. Additionally cross training the guns is very easy if you have hybrids already as all the supporting gunnery skills apply to both so it's literally small energy turret then mediums, easy peasy.

If you just want Amarr bonuses on a Gallente ship then I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, there might be a case for not having BOTH Gallente BCs with an active rep bonus but it will blow my mind if you get a resist or armor hp bonus instead. I wanted a HAM bonused Prophecy but I'm positive I won't get that either, so I will make do with what I have.

Brutix - Looks like this boat will keep it's role of most useless BC ever. I did some calculations for possible fittings using new data, guess what? - It's still same old crap that cannot fit anything as it was before :)

Armor rep bonus doesn't work well by looks of it. I'm not even trying to compare it to shield analogs like cyclone. Shield boats with ASB can still outperform armor boat.

Let's take a look on ASB vs armor tank. X-L ASB (most used mods for solo shield tanked boats) gives more tanking capability then for example dualrep Brutix. Also cyclone can fit damage mods like gyrostabs or BCUs in future while brutix has to make choice between damage mod and tank. DPS and range on that ship is laughable.

Can you please consider that in future when u will try to "Balance" ships?

I haven't mentioned reactive armor hardener just because it's damn crap. Before that stuff will reach maximum on resistances your armor is long gone.

Buff or nerf?... the extra bandwidth is great for sentry drones but not really terrible important for standard drones, loosing the high/turret just seem to greatly reduce the advantage of the extra bandwidth.

Sleepers wrecks are too difficult for them afaik.

I have to laugh at people who say the harb got nerfed, they obviously didn't read the stats right. It actually got buffed and by quite a bit too (although it's still too slow) and in a group of ships that on the whole DID get nerfed (BCs are too good and need the nerfbat, overall) that's saying something. Same for the Cyclone, it's a really good ship now albeit just as niche as it was before (which is perfect).


@ CCP Fozzie:

I had a good look at the new Prophecy again and now I get where you're going with it. For pvp it's still slow as a fcking brick so unless you have planned some stuff for armor tanking in general and rigs in particular it's still not really viable. For PVE it will be a powerhouse (even more so due to almost complete damage type selection which generally is Amarr's issue) but using it like that DOES mean training up sentries. The problem is that outside a very niche (N)Geddon sentries aren't used by amarr so you're asking a relative newbie Amarr player to train something he probably won't ever use again unless he starts training other races.

So unless you have something in the works for the Sacrilege&Legion (and that better be a full-on 125/375) and perhaps one of the Command ships I'd urge you to reconsider. It would be too niche to ask people to train for, especially given the limited shelf life of a BC for PVE.

I realise that making it into the other option (HAMs) opens a can of worms in the way that it would be severely overpowered and you'd have to limit its midslots meaning you'd need to give it an extra high or low, which is just as silly, but unless you're actually planning to make some of the T2/T3 into full drone boats you can not expect people to train sentries.

Everybody here who like the drake say goodbye to it, it has now had its final hit with the nerf bat to oblivion.

My Reasons:
They nerffed heavy missiles upon Retributions release, 20% reduced damage and range.
Loosing a utility slot with the new re-balance.
Tank is being nerffed with the new re-balance.
Making it heavier and fatter on align and mass with new re-balance.
Blooming its Ship Signature Radius with new re-balance.
Oh look, i see a completely inconsiderable buff, increased cargo space.

CCP You kicked the Drake in the Balls enough with the Heavy Missile Nerf, it balanced it, now its just a ship that sits in station and collects dust.

Anyone here who thinks this to be an unreasonable assessment please say so and why.

EDIT: Cyclone is now a better ship to go for than the Drake IMO if your a missile boat pilot, with the new changes to the Cyclone.