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Making the Jump from Carebear to Risk Taker

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#81 - 2013-01-07 07:03:14 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You seem to believe that pvp players can't be carebears ... i think of carebears as those that will only do things that they are sure they'll win at ... that is a good portion of the eve player base.


Most of them really. I could name a few, but all you'd have to do is check my killboards to find them. Lol
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Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#82 - 2013-01-09 09:13:04 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


Hi there,

Darwinian evolution - competing for foodstuffs - in my case ISK from Radar and Mag sites as an explorer - when there are too many explorers and not enough sites you eventually have to try and kill the competition.

So i hid in my radar site and killed the guy who was also scanning the system to take 'my' stuff . You will punch the air with delight when you get a planned solo kill and then there is no going back.

In my case - a late developer with 20,000,000 SP - BUT most of them irrelevant to the eventual PVP.

Hope that encourages you.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-01-09 10:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Bubanni wrote:
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


My first pvp experience was about 3-4 months after I started playing, I took a Harbinger from high sec to low sec and got killed by a frig :D this was long ago... I had been convinced to join a high sec corp that was mission and research... I regret this to this day... as people like that are very risk averse... I now have the most fun ever, flying around in expensive frigs zooming around huge fleets that would kill most people :D, best feeling ever

There's an important lesson to be learned from Bubanni - specialize.

Don't just specialize in terms of where you spend your SP but specialize in terms of gameplay: pick one role, one ship class, even one single ship type and use it every. single. day until you are good at it.

Each ship and each role has a learning curve attached to it and most players give up long before they become effective at using it.

If you just put in the time to become really good at one thing then those without the patience to learn will regard you as a miracle worker.

Bubanni in his Stiletto, ShortySVK in his Slasher, Mark Hadden in his bomber, ... look at the top of class waffle grads and you will find many examples of focus & specialization paying off ten-fold (of course your focus doesn't have to be one certain shiptype, it could also be FCing one type of gang, ...).

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2013-01-09 10:20:14 UTC
How do you make the jump?
You just ******* do it, stop making excuses.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#85 - 2013-01-09 15:22:53 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Bubanni wrote:
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


My first pvp experience was about 3-4 months after I started playing, I took a Harbinger from high sec to low sec and got killed by a frig :D this was long ago... I had been convinced to join a high sec corp that was mission and research... I regret this to this day... as people like that are very risk averse... I now have the most fun ever, flying around in expensive frigs zooming around huge fleets that would kill most people :D, best feeling ever

There's an important lesson to be learned from Bubanni - specialize.

Don't just specialize in terms of where you spend your SP but specialize in terms of gameplay: pick one role, one ship class, even one single ship type and use it every. single. day until you are good at it.

Each ship and each role has a learning curve attached to it and most players give up long before they become effective at using it.

If you just put in the time to become really good at one thing then those without the patience to learn will regard you as a miracle worker.

Bubanni in his Stiletto, ShortySVK in his Slasher, Mark Hadden in his bomber, ... look at the top of class waffle grads and you will find many examples of focus & specialization paying off ten-fold (of course your focus doesn't have to be one certain shiptype, it could also be FCing one type of gang, ...).


I agree entirely - some may find it boring but I just fly the cloaked Pilgrim ( hoping it doesn't get nerfed of course because then you are in a pickle) The number one benefit of specializing is that you will eventually know exactly what you CAN'T do or what is a waste of time trying to do in your particular role.

Your skill points aren't as important as practise - which gives experience, leading to knowledge and eventually wisdom - but don't look at my loss mails....ShockedShocked
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-01-09 15:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Vera Algaert wrote:

There's an important lesson to be learned from Bubanni - specialize.

Don't just specialize in terms of where you spend your SP but specialize in terms of gameplay: pick one role, one ship class, even one single ship type and use it every. single. day until you are good at it.

Each ship and each role has a learning curve attached to it and most players give up long before they become effective at using it.

If you just put in the time to become really good at one thing then those without the patience to learn will regard you as a miracle worker.

Bubanni in his Stiletto, ShortySVK in his Slasher, Mark Hadden in his bomber, ... look at the top of class waffle grads and you will find many examples of focus & specialization paying off ten-fold (of course your focus doesn't have to be one certain shiptype, it could also be FCing one type of gang, ...).

specialization is for sportsmen. Do you play game or you compete with someone? If so where is criteria of win/lost? How do you compare SB pilot with FC? Who is more succesfull?

I guess it's a lot better to just have fun of game you paid for.
You like to mine? Ok. Do it until you bored.
You like to missions? Great. Do it until you bored.
You like to fly SB? Maybe FCing gangs? Great! But after some time you will get bored (unless Eve Online is some kind of job for you). And why don't try something new?

You moved from perfect SB to slasher and got stupid funny lossmails? Nice! You have something to show to your friends when you are bored to get some good laughs.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Subdolus Venator
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-01-09 17:14:26 UTC
Amiazia Patrouette wrote:

Thank you all. I think I'm about to fit a ship and go see what kind of trouble I can get into. Twisted

EVE. You're doing it right.
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EVE is EVE - Feaces will eventuate.

Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#88 - 2013-01-09 18:26:04 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
there was a time....

EvE was a different world years ago (back when we walked to school 8 miles in the snow etc Smile) I had done the trial and gotten blown up in a reaper in a 0.4. I tried hauling and got ganked by Tiller trying to slowboat the 15km to a gate in low.

Then i moved to derelik. I stumbled upon someone mining which seemed like a good way to make some cash, got talking to him, joined his corp.

At the time you could realisticaly get away with mining in low sec and we struck an agreement with local pirates in a 0.3 not far from Doril to let us mine in peace.

Some pilots were outside the local sphere of influence however. I forget the guys name but he was in a corp called Ascendo Tuum with 2 other pilots one of whom was called 'Helen'. This guy would occasionally show up and blow someone up.

At this point in (well certainly in my) EvE history a battleship was an expensive bit of kit. I got sick of this dude and engaged him during a mining operation. We had 2 mining fit battleships and a mining fit battlecruiser. It went the way you would expect.

so I decided: if you cant beat em join em.

I pestered my way into Ascendo Tuum but they folded days later as its plots moved on to bigger things.

I returned to my birth system and one jump over I found miners. I flipped their cans. A pilot from a corp called 'suicide girls' engaged me and I blew it up. The buzz was unreal.

I then solo roamed low sec in various crap fit caracals and Feroxes picking fights. The multispec ECM was a massive help in this as you could take on maybe 3 pilots solo and cycle your ECM to escape or limit damage, break webs and scrams. I won a fair few fights. During all this time EvE was changing. Fights in low sec invariably ended in 5 or 6 ships arriving to take on my 1

Eventually I stumbled into Bosboger and started a fight with a local pirate from a corp called Vale Heavy Industries. The name was misleading as Vale were pirates. He won the engagement but asked me to join his corp which I did. I spent many happy years with Vale.

We formed one of the first pirate alliances - the Molotov Coalition.

Steadily targets in low sec dried up. Vale moved into mercenary work and also did a stinit in TDE as part of a null alliance.

Eventually i sent a emo message to Vale along the 'thanks for all the fish' lines. That was an epic corp.

Ever since then I have largely operated solo trying to recreate my hayday in EvE. I find it ard to see the point of doing anything except player vs player combat in EvE but my niche disappeared a long time ago.

There was a time.


Reading posts like this make me wish I had gotten into Eve much earlier than I had. I've heard stories of the glory days where pirates honored ransoms and (more importantly) did it for the ransom instead of the fucktards we have today who are all killboard obsessed asshats. It is a shame that honorable ransoms have gone the way of the dodo (at least in my experience they have). The stories I have heard/read about the early days of Eve make me think that it was a lot more fun than the Eve we have today (this isn't to say that the Eve we have today isn't fun, it just isn't as fun as I imagine the early days were, granted I wasn't there though)
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#89 - 2013-01-09 19:28:26 UTC
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Most don't go from "carebear" to "pvp'er" and then only PvP the rest of their careers.

Most mix the two at varying degrees thoughout their careers.




This. I like to explore low/null and have not pvp'd on tranq for some time now but doesnt mean I wont in a second Twisted

Oderint Dum Metuant

Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-01-10 00:01:26 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


I started out mish running in empire, then decided I liked the isk opportunities in null sec better and moved out there at about 4 months into this char for the plexing and mining and in the process flew in a few pvp fleets and realized how much more fun/exciting/tense that was and started doing it more often, I will probly never be a pvper only, but plexs and missions will never compare to pvp.

As far as you not having a chance in pvp, your mostly right in a one on one dog fight against a vet you will lose, but you can still tackle his ship while your corpies kill him. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11122542 <- im the frig

The LULZ Boat.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#91 - 2013-01-10 00:13:32 UTC
I helped blap a scorpion on a station undock in a high sec trading hub when i could just barely fly a bomber. The adrenaline rush and the tears from the 12yo who then proceeded to petition the kill made me want more. Guy spammed local with 'failtards', then 1 minute later he was spamming local with 'waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa youre all petitioned! what a fail way to kill a BS! waaaaaaaaa!" glorious glorious tears! Ive been hooked ever since.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?