Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Maybe the Ferox, Drake and Brutix should all be given a utility high by removing a turret from each?

You get ~395 DPS with HAMs plus ~160 ought of a flight of medium drones, so you're at 550 DPS. Or you can use two flights of light drones and do either ~500 DPS or deploy ECM drones. Two utility highs - a unique quality, now - lets you add 60 DPS in the form of a pair of 425mm ACs if you so choose, or use them for neuts.

A sixth launcher, by comparison, would add 80 DPS.

Now, it's obviously a minority opinion if all the whinging in the thread about it is any indication, but I really don't have much of a problem with where the cyclone stands. I don't actually think it would have "too much" DPS with the sixth launcher, but the flexibility the current setup offers is pretty appealing, without necessarily being "over the top" the way the pre-nerf hurricane was.


Yeah and they're even harder to get onto a Harbinger.

I'm beginning to like you.

Good catch, but the point still stands though. With double the drone size, ability to choose its damage type, an extra low and an extra high slot over the Drake, changing one of those two utility slots to a launcher would make it go over board on the DPS.

Not everyone flies in fleets.

-Liang

This. At least the other race that is stuck with an active tanking bonus (Minmatar, Cyclone (ASB ftw!)) has the awesome dual-damage-bonus Hurricane for fleet work. For the Gallente pilots, they just get stuck with two ships with one effective bonus.

The way the changes read to me is that the Hurricane is your hammer. It's unquestionably a higher DPS ship, pushing out about 715 DPS with 425mm autos, 3x gyros and hobgoblins; guns are ~615 of that. But its bias towards armor tanking (six lows, four mids) means you either run a lightweight shield tank or sacrifice range or damage (possibly both).

Cyclone's the scalpel. 360 DPS from HAMs, with a bigger drone bay and two utility slots. Want max damage? Bring hammerheads and guns in the utility and you get over 600 DPS. Or maybe a bit more flexiblity, so we bring light drones - with warriors, you still get 535 DPS. Or HAMs and Hammerheads for 550 dps and some tank breaking neuts. Or HAMs, neuts, and a pair of sentries (dropped outside the furball) if you want something really wild. More importantly, it does any of thosewith a far more robust tank than a Hurricane; there's the ASB tanks if that's your cup of tea, or if you'd rather buffer, two LSE, two Invuln, DCII and three CDFE gives you around 77k EHP, 50% larger than the modest shield buffer a hurricane sports.

On the other hand, six launchers as proposed means the max DPS setup is HAMs and hammerheads - it does 632 DPS, and has the same one utility slot as the hurricane. So at that point your DPS is about as good as what a Hurricane can do with his guns alone, and if he really wanted to he could roll a flight of ECM drones instead. So in essence, you're a worse hurricane, and where's the fun in that?

Oh yes, and forgot: Sure it could get a sixth launcher as well as an eighth high to let it retain the flexibility. Aside from whether that would be too good or not, it'd have to lose a slot somewhere else.

So now minmatar pilots must be efficient in projectile, missiles, and drones? Not to mention that their tanking is also split, so they must train both armor and shield tanking...that is if they would like to efficiently fly minmatar ships? Is there another race that must do all of this?

Many, MANY people do.

The Brutix was never going to be your go-to ship for fleet work. Blasters don't scale, and it's useless to pretend like a medium rail fit is going to be worth a ****.

-Liang

Heresy!
The Glorious Space Potato looks every last bit like a battleship, moreso than any other (almost):
Built like a giant brick with no bits that would fall off when accelerating too fast, and also doesn't look like something that could accelerate fast like all battleship should!
I'm more offended by many battleships looking like as if they were cruisers or something.

Apart from that, amarr got a drone destroyer, a drone cruiser (doubles as EWAR), now a drone battlecruiser, so - for me - it's rather surprising they are NOT getting a drone battleship.