Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Griffin and other E-War frigates have a massive targeting range, but that's expected. No combat frigate from what I am aware of has a base targeting range of 90km.

Sigh, CCP - you've made me post again. As always, I refrain from comment on upcoming changes because I prefer to wait and see. The usual exception to this is when you make changes so terrible I feel like slapping the lead developer of the changes.

This is one of those times.

To start with, here are the really bad:

* The changes to the Cyclone in particular have me agitated, though I'd hazard a guess and say this is simply because I have enjoyed flying the ship for quite some time. Doesn't make these changes less stupid. While I understand that you wish to extend the Minmatar missile line to BCs, doing so by completely invalidating the training and money expended to achieve competency in a certain ship is not the way to go about it. Many new pilots are about to face significant retraining times to either pilot new ships of similar capabilities or to stay with their Cyclones - assuming they aren't simply put back in to small classes of ships. While this seems like a minor issue to those of us with plentiful SP - others are going to have to wait a month or so to retrain missiles. This was stupid, CCP. Really stupid.

* Oh look, you're further nerfing the Harbinger. At this point you're basically laughing at anyone who likes the appearance of the Harbinger, right? In it's *current* state it's one of the lesser BCs, under serious threat from the new cruisers and limited in versatility. Obviously the next step is to further nerf it's damage (already lack-luster), nerf it's fitting (already a pain), nerf it's tank (incredibly 'meh' at the moment), it's align time (because Amarr ships need to turn slower, obviously) and give it what - minor increases to cargo capacity and sensor strength in return? Did you even think about this before you made these changes? If anything, the Harbinger needed a buff not a nerf.

EDIT: I'll do a proper look later, but somehow I missed that it's damage bonus has been increased. It looks like it will do slightly more damage and gain some cap with it - and be less expensive. This might have been an overeaction to say the very least.

* The Drake. Oh look, you barely touched the Drake - you know, the only Battlecruiser that needed a rebalancing after the Hurricane had it's power grid hit reasonably hard. Come on CCP, if you're going to nerf the Harbinger have the decency to nerf something that actually needed it as well.

And now, lets have the not as bad to the simply 'meh':

The Prophecy, a drone boat? Okay, I can deal with this. While my objections to the Cyclone still apply here, given the Prophecy only ever had a capacitor bonus and drones, unlike missile, give almost universal benefit to ships larger than destroyers it's not so bad. This also gives the Harbinger a significantly different role to the Prophecy, which seeing as I was worried about them becoming almost the same ship if buffed is a good thing. I'll reserve judgment until I see it in action, but I'm skeptical.

The Brutix, put simply, needed a slightly larger buff than this. Oh well, the extra low slot is actually pretty nice. It's a 'meh' change, but I might actually buy one next time I get bored.

Oh look, a few other small nerfs to the Hurricane. I'm not sure it needed any more, but I can't say I care too much.

Okay, time for the good:

Oh cool, the Myrmidon gets a small drones bonus. This is small but I rather like it. I'm not sure how much this will change, but I like it (despite having too horrible drone skills to test it out myself).

Hey! A small, but very cool, bonus to the Ferox. I'm not too sure on the impact this will have, but it might actually allow for some more flexibility in the fits. I'm interested in how this will turn out at the very least.

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So there you go CCP, you made me post again. I even held back at the incredibly stupid line of Tier 3 BCs (which still need to be nerfed - or thrown out of the game completely) and the incredibly bad new inventory UI (which I actually posted about after fact it was so horrible). Slap whoever decided both of these were good ideas, while you're at it. In the end, Eve needs significant changes in order to remain interesting but those changes actually need to have some thought behind the effect it will have on the game before they are introduced.

Yes, EWar frigates have long base targeting range (Vigil has 65km), but this is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I agree that the Minmatar combat BCs shouldn't have a shorter base max targeting range than their cruiser equivalents (Rupture at 50km and Stabber at 47.5km) and should probably be increased to the 60-65km range.

Saying frigates have double the targeting range of the Hurricane is still an inaccurate statement and it distracts from the actual purpose of that post.

I'm honestly not liking the change from guns to missiles for the cyclone.

WTF are we trying to accomplish here???

About Prophecy.

I believe it's not a good way to go for this ship.

If you add one more low slot. You can have more than 180 k hp on this ship.

2 * 1600 plates + reactive armor + damage control + 3 * Energized adaptative nano
3 * Trimark

(+ command ship bonus).

* --low dps but heavy tanking--*

it's really to much.

And also bandwith 75 is not very interesting, you will have the same problem then now with myrmidon (old concept).

2 heavy + 2 medium + 1 light
3 heavy
1 heavy + 4 medium (65)

I prefere to have a bandwith 50 but with a big bonus on it. (Drone bonus 15%).

FFS just say we all should fly tengu and nerf anything else into oblivion. Why bother with pretending we have 4 races with 4 different military doctrines and philosophies? One ship, one weapon system, one path.

Great work,... other than leaving the myrm and brutix in **** land!

Because the Cyclone was always bad and lacking in definition from it's peers, am I right? While I do see your point, the change here seems to only unneceraily penalise newer players.


You know, I heard picking a single nerf from one ship with many that is already in dire straights and comparing it to a ship with few that is one of the most popular, and powerful, ships in the game makes for balanced judgement on the extent of the changes - right? Maybe you need to look at the entirety of the changes, instead focusing on singlular figures?


No it doesn't, because nobody fields just three heavy drones. You're math is almost as bad as my broad, sweeping statements. Yes, it is a significant damage bonus - it's doesn't stop this being a relatively 'small' change - and no, the problem with the Myrmidon isn't the lack luster armor rep bonus. Infact, the armor rep bonus combined with the drone bonus is one of the reasons the Myrmidon is a great ship, and will continue to be so.


16% huh? Hows the fitting, with a whole extra blaster though? It doubt even with the slight bonus to fitting you'll be able to practically apply the entirety of the gain. Having another look, I think the most interesting thing about the Ferox change is the significant expansion of it's cargo bay. In the past, it had problems with the number of cap boosters it could hold for active fits.


Not the words! Maybe instead I should have done basic math without considering the entirety of these changes and practical usage to reach a conclusion? Thats how this should be done, right?

Actually if gang links ever do become on-grid only I can actually see the Prophecy as a pretty good place to put them in plain sight in small scale cheapish fleets. Completely unbonused highs means you're not sacrificing much by not fitting guns/missiles and 7 lows and the armor bonus means you can tank it pretty heavily (even if you need a co-proc for more than one link), even a couple Augorors shouldn't have much trouble keeping it alive. Your gang mates can take care of the e-war/tackle as you're kinda slow anyhow.

I think I'm doing well in making peace with my new found Amarr drones.