EVE General Discussion

Well intentioned I am sure but EVE is FFA and FFA means do what works best and the rest is just there to muddy the water. In EVE what works best is to gank. It trumps everything. Sure, you can try and play cloak games but you are easy to avoid and produce very low damage. A solo player in EVE is an impediment, nothing more. All new people are solo by default when they start EVE and for the ones who are not hard set on being a gank boy in a gank game, the future you have in EVE is limited.

EVE will never give up its FFA and EVE will never be more than just another Zerg based game. I don't see a future growth for EVE. it's old, everyone knows what it is and no amount of fancy talking is going to make it any more popular than it is here and today.

Nominate for best sentence of this 3 day old year:

"Change what has been taught in RL and reset the gamers mind."

There is *no* freedom of choice for most people. Most people simply stick to what they have learned
and have a hard time adapting to anything new. That's how the masses work, btw.
It gets even worse when they grow older.

Or , for whatever reason that is based on simple choice, some folks just don't want or like PVP.

There, problem solved. OBVIOUS answer is OBVIOUS. Scary, isn't it?


No barstool psycho-analysis or energy-beverage induced nerd-rage required.

Too bad reality doesn't actually work that way ... "choice-based".
Well ... except for people who actually believe in that crap.

hey there sigmund before i call your mum and ask for a picture of your phd hanging in the basement let me slap you off of your high horse

people have much more freedom than you think otherwise there wouldnt be so many fcked up threads on GD forum

you had freedom to make a demented avatar with stupid tattoo,i cant see why ppl cant choose not to pvp or pve or mine for that matter

/passive agressive rant

on a serious note - you are way overcomplicating things here,no need to dwell into secret of human behaviour - when i come home from work i just wanna escape for a while into imaginary world,it makes me feel good and if i want to pvp i will if i find more time to play

And the very next day after that is implemented, you'd regret it as the people who were ahead of you in SP would be ahead of you in SP even more as they can afford to do so. Would be a killing blow for the game.

Very true; for that I give you a Touche

I guess there would have to be some sort of limit on it. Like you can only buy so much SP every 24 hours;

It's early and I'm thinking out loud (bad idea I know) :P

That's not what i meant. I'm having hard times to talk via text.
I'm used to talk in voice, using "hand and feet". Expressions. Sound.
Makes things much easier.

If you raise a kid to fight ... it will fight. If you raise a kid to run away ... it will run away.
It's hard work to change that behaviour once that kid grows older and the chances for that adult
to change his behaviour by himself are rather slim. Possible, but slim.

There are several different subgroups of people within the group of those who don't want to PvP.

There's no game like EvE and most people are used to all that crap that's out there.
"go back to wow" didn't come up "just so". It's a metaphor that displays exactly that ...
that people simply are used to all the crap that's out there.

There *are* people who are annoyed by these crappy games,
join EvE and realize that carebearing was the worst thing they ever did.

Proof is out there. People who got sick of carebearing, tried actual "PvP" and would never look back.
These people are, sadly, the exception ... and not the rule.

The goal should be to change peoples behaviour from the get go. Remove the emotional attachment to pixels.
Remove the fake feeling of accomplishment from dealing with AI. Teach them that there's a world out there
worth participating in. People worth dealing with, even if it's only with your guns.

Think about it for a second. Do you really think that those who don't dare combating against people,
are behaving so by *choice* ? No ! They behave that way, because they have learned - in one way or another -
to behave that way.

The worst subgroup of these people are the self entitled, who bath their perceived (imaginary) high self esteem
with the shallow sense of accomplishment of killing AI. Fighting actual people is a threat to them,
because there's a chance of actually losing, which would ruin their imaginary (bloated) self esteem.
I know two of these personally.

Don't believe me ? Then think it through. All your (generic your) life you have fought AI ... and you kept winning.
Woah ... you're so tough. Unbeatable. Then you joined EvE. Then people came and kicked your candy ass.
What happens then ? They rage in chat. They rage at forums. They ragequit.

These can't be changed ... but ask GOONS or TEST ... there are lot of people out there who can be taught
how to have fun in EvE, the way it was actually advertised for. For example, "butterfly effect".

You don't see CCP-made videos about people sitting in belts for a reason !

The whole point is, you need to change thinking.

I have played about ever MMO ever made. The process is always the same, gear up (grind might be included) and go PvP. You win some and you lose some but you lose nothing and head back swinging. Eve is a much scarier deal.

The people whom are playing PvP, for the most part are people whom take risks in life. It's psychology. It's like I said in the first post, like having a new car blown up in a dark ally. You could also see it as walking in a bad neighborhood knowing that you are going to be taken away in a ambulance.

Thinking needs to be changed. You do indeed have to un-teach what is taught in RL and break the mold of fear. Sure, it's a game. But is in our psychology to equate ourselves and relate fantasy to RL even if it makes little sense. I could approach the whole thing as losing a ship does not hurt me in RL and just do it over and over for lulz, although possible it does come across as stupid in reality.

So how do we get people to overcome natural defensive/protective barriers? That's the question that needs solved and the problem will fix itself.