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Making the Jump from Carebear to Risk Taker

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-01-03 12:09:31 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


I was bout 10 or 12 weeks old, I was focusing on my brand new Drake, I felt like I was ready because I wanted to do it.

You want to do it: therefore you're ready. The only realy qualification for a "risk taking" playstyle is the desire to take risks.

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Bubanni
Game of Drones
The Initiative.
#42 - 2013-01-03 12:15:30 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


My first pvp experience was about 3-4 months after I started playing, I took a Harbinger from high sec to low sec and got killed by a frig :D this was long ago... I had been convinced to join a high sec corp that was mission and research... I regret this to this day... as people like that are very risk averse... I now have the most fun ever, flying around in expensive frigs zooming around huge fleets that would kill most people :D, best feeling ever

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Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#43 - 2013-01-03 12:32:59 UTC
What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode?

I can farm in 5 days enough money to loss in PvP for a few months.

Mostly because I prefer to fly cruisers and frigates, and the most expensive thing i have ever lost was a Caracal Navy.

I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??"

And I found a nice place to spend my money :)
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-01-03 12:35:31 UTC
Made account, Trained for a rifter joined BDEAL. Straight into null. I kinda miss it.

Kill it with Fire!

Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#45 - 2013-01-03 12:54:33 UTC
NPCs don't send you hatemail when you blow them up, nor do they rage. I never did much pve but when I decided to make a pirate alt "just for fun" i soon found him to be way more entertaining than my then main. It's a game, not a job.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#46 - 2013-01-03 13:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Peeveepeeski
For a year I was an out an out high sec carebear. I had trained for mission and POS industry on my first charachter and was making lots of isk but with nothing to do with it.

So I started a new account for ***** and giggles, a thrasher pilot back when they had a -25% ROF penalty. Also jumped in rifters of course.

I then spent 6 months learning to hunt and pirate. The pvp kind of just came with the territory but it was primarily focussed on me jumping on plexers or FW mission bears in the eugidi constellation. I still missioned but it was out of turnur (even had a large POS in there producing a **** tonne of drones).

I realised there was a gaping hole in my practical knowledge in pvp, namely taking on people that could fight back (although I wasn't bad at this, I just knew I could improve). So I asked a person that had blown up my first loki if there was space in his corp and I'm still in it now.

I literally shiver at all the time I spent in level 4's bored off my face. Now, even when I am doing PVE it has to be in WH space or low sec simply because its dull as hell otherwise. Also, top tip... fit for pvp even if you are pve'ing. At the very least have escape routes....
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#47 - 2013-01-03 13:25:16 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started.



Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad.


And that willingness to get out there and take the risk, to actually LOSE (and get back up and do it again) is the best tradition of EVE gaming imo, it's really what separates the wheat from the chaff.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#48 - 2013-01-03 13:34:16 UTC
Oxxe Radak wrote:
I'm just wondering how everyone made the jump from a relative peaceful existence to a more voilent one that we see in low/nullsec?

What were you focusing on? How long did you focus on this before you decided to make the jump to PvP? How old was your character and did you feel like you were ready to make the jump?

I'm asking this because I'm trying to get into PvP but as a pretty new player I don't stand much of a chance with my low SP. I understand I need to pick my fights but I feel like I need to round myself out before I go and start getting blown up over and over.


The best advice you'll ever get is make friends, All the Titans in EVE aren't worth one good friend who has got your back in a fight...preferably in a scimitar :) .

For me it took almost a year. I started out like many do, as a mission runner, and i'd heard so many bad and scary things about "out there" (low/null sec, there were no wormholes yet) that I determined that i was going to "get to a certain lvl" before I left high sec. Had a lot of fun getting from my 1st drake to my 1st Raven to my 1st Navy Raven and being able to steam roll missions.

In that 1st year I dabbled with pvp 3 times. My 1st death to a player was in low sec, a dude in a Brutix blew me out of my rifter then gave me some ISK for my troubles. A corp mate of mine (I joined a mission running corp after like 2 months of playing) was friends with some guys in BoB and they invited us to roam with them. We ended up in a skirmish with IRC and the 1st killmail I was ever one was an IRC Deimos. In that Fight, a Carrier warped to the gate we were fighting on, it's was my 1st time seeing a capital ship.

It was great, but it would be another 3 months before I got into :real" pvp, that was when Faction Warfare was introduced to the game. That really did it for me, I've been in pvp corporations ever since then and have gotten to shoot people all across New Eden.
Meita Way
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-01-03 13:35:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Meita Way
I got bored. Dumped my old character that ran missions and went into the odd fleet fight, and legged it to Curse. I've never really left since then. It's much more fun running stuff to sell around 0.0 than anything that ever happened in highsec.

And it's perfectly possible to do it solo! As long as you don't mind exploding from time to time :)

And you'll make lots of friends, especially if you're kitting out random alliances war fleets :)
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-01-03 13:38:17 UTC
Wow, that's going back a way. Back to 2006 I think.

After my first few weeks of playing around in high sec I was already fairly bored with the notion of running missions or mining which seemed to be basically all I could do. I was seriously considering uninstalling Eve before the trial finished but I had a nagging feeling I hadn't seen the best this game had to offer.

I went into the recruitment channel and basically just said I'm a noob and I want to join a corp, any takers?

I got a bite from this crazy guy called Griff who had just started up his own corp called "Perfect Order" and who had big plans for becoming a properly feared group of pvpers. He was recruiting a lot of noobs so he could train us the way he wanted.

In my first day in corp chat he said that if he spotted anyone in a noob ship he'd pod them himself and then went on to give each of the new recruits 1 million ISK which was like a fortune to me at the time. I couldn't believe how much money the guy had handed over and I was like a kid in a candy shop in when I danced over to Jita to buy a proper frigate.

Over the next few weeks Griff introduced us to teamspeak and taught us how to fit up (and fly) fast ships for tackling with strict rules that these were the only pvp type ships we could fly until we got more experience. The more senior guys always flew the bigger ships like cruisers and the occasional battleship. We war decced other small corps around us to gain experience and we started to get pretty good. This was almost all done in high sec.

Eventually we expanded into low sec roaming, following similar rules which essentially made us pirates but Griff also implemented null sec ninja ratting corp activities to mitigate the sec losses where we'd sneak a secure container into a quiet null system and scout our way there. Although I was flying a Merlin I could deal with the pesky NPC frigs while griff dealt with the BSs in his Raven with others running loot from the wrecks to the cans and others still keeping watch in the adjacent systems. I loved doing that because in an hour I could make more isk than in a week on my own.

Eventually I became a senior member in Perfect Order but I tended to stick to tackling since I had a knack for it. Of course, a senior guy like me had to have some status symbol so I upgraded to an interceptor and took on the role of teaching the tackling ropes to the new guys.

Since then I've run solo in low sec, started my own pirate corp and also joined and fought for various null sec alliances but I learned most of what I know from that crazy guy on TS who got drunk and jumped his group of outlaws into a 0.5 system.

Perhaps I'll organise a group of ceptors to go hammering through low sec again for laughs. Writing this has made me pine for those old days.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#51 - 2013-01-03 13:40:00 UTC
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
What I don't understand is what does people with all the money they make while in carebear mode?
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I jumped the fence when I asked myself "Well, I have a Raven Navy and I can earn 20/25 mill isk per hour killing rats... now what??"



I share your view. However there're people having fun in stockpiling resources and money, so the ISK capital is for them the meter of their game progression. Nothing bad in this, it's a gamestyle legit as any other, and have to be respected (mostly consdering it's the gamestyle of the larger part of playerbase).

It's the nature of sandbox games: everyone can decide and set his ingame goals.


Anslo
Scope Works
#52 - 2013-01-03 14:00:36 UTC
I got involved in faction warfare because Caldari players annoyed me. Kept on going, went to pew in low, joined a few nul alliances, got bored, went back to nul for a year with the best Corp I ever joined with the best people I ever flew with before some PvP zealots joined and screwed it up.

Since then, I stayed in high and watched as the Eve community took a turn for the worse in terms of the "us vs them" mentality. More zealots showed up and I just got jaded. The community wasn't the same community. It went from being about fun to just abusing carebears, and I wasn't cool with that.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-01-03 14:02:25 UTC
My first few weeks of Eve revolves around running missions, then I jumped into incursions. During that time, the concept of active pvp scares the crap out of me, lowsec sounds like this creepy place where death is inevitable, nullsec sounds like hell filled with "bad" guys. So I was, in many ways a total carebear at the time, complete with all the denials involved when people asked me to do pvp, I always came up with excuses from "not ready yet", "it's not my thing", "pvp is stupid", "I play the way I want, you can't force me" etc., but the truth was simple, I was scared and I know for certain, alot of carebears use the same arguments now just as I did before.

Jumping into pvp, for me, it was, accidental. A corpmate of mine in the Uni kept bugging me to try out lowsec, that was around my fifth or sixth month into the game, so I did, just for the sake of proving it to him that I can do it if I want but I just don't. Then after my first experience of the rush and adrenaline, I was, addicted. I had literally spent every single day in lowsec at the time, for a few weeks, completely disregarding my wallet and every other pve stuff I used to do before.

Then I joined Test, and haven't turned back since. I still do pve stuff though like many others, but honestly, ever since I moved to null. One thing I realized that this is Eve, this is what it's all about. This IS what the game was designed for, the stories, the politics, the conflicts, the community, actions that affect other people way across the Eve universe. I can now say "I was there" on many things I've been in on.

That's my short story.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#54 - 2013-01-03 14:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Love the thread, brother. Good stories.

For me it was about two months after starting the game. I had been mostly a miner up to that point, except for tagging along with a few large PvP fleets as an extra tackler. I logged in one day and saw that a fleet was forming, so I asked what it was about. I was told, cryptically, that they were going to camp. I said, "ok, whatever, I'm game," and went along. Turns out, the plan was to occupy a nearby lowsec system and live there for a week or two.

A couple of days into this experiment, our people were scattered around the constellation ratting. I heard over comms that one of our guys was in a belt 1 jump away and being attacked by a Myrmidon. I jumped over in my Rifter, warped in and tackled. For a couple of minutes I orbited him like this while he hammered on my friend in his Drake. Then our fleet showed up and took him down, just after I was popped by drones.

The whole time my heart was thumping, it was the first PvP engagement I had been in where there were less than 40 people in my fleet. That was the day I decided that whatever else I did in EVE, I was going to be a PvPer first, and anything else second.

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Hedion's oracle
Naari LLC
#55 - 2013-01-03 14:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Hedion's oracle
Join FW or low sec pirate corp, you;ll see more fights in a day than you'll see in null in a week, null is fail right now. hell, you'll see more fights in empire too P

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#56 - 2013-01-03 14:41:13 UTC
I think you can start with PvP quite soon, there's just one thing to keep in mind and that is that you can afford what you (might) lose. As long as your financial state is healthy, and you earn more than you'll loose during PvP, you're good to go... The best way to get better at PvP (and thus get more kills, while getting killed less) is to do it. Your own experience is way more important than the experience (or SP) of your character.

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Oxxe Radak
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-01-03 16:18:37 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
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Edit: If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo. If OUCH are still taking people they are a good place to start (http://ouch.artofwar-alliance.com/).


Just want to thank you for providing me with the corp, I've joined and it's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Cheers.
Fasturian Icildentirf
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#58 - 2013-01-03 16:34:23 UTC
I started PvPing inside my first month because my RL friends who were playing Eve at the time were mostly lowsec pirates. They had been miners but got tired of being the gankee.

While I am still horrible at PvP, it is PvP battles and wars that i have won and lost that provide my favorite memories in this game.

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-01-03 16:47:27 UTC
CCP Eterne wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
PVP was my intention the day I started playing EVE. I did a lot of research before I actually started.



Same here, though it took me about three months before I actually did it because I meant to do it. Had a few times where a dude came and ganked me as I was ratting in low sec belts in my money metal Omen. Then I joined a corp and flew around in an Inty without being able to use MWDs and got killed a bunch more, then slowly got better and eventually turned from terrible to just bad.



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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#60 - 2013-01-03 16:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
If you want to get into PVP the worst thing you can do is try it solo.


There is no such thing like solo PVP. Maybe if you have multiple accounts. Every PVP is multiplayer experience, or two players, but not solo. That is what makes it worth your time.