Ships & Modules

Hey all.

I have a dilemma. I am primarily a missioner and am extremely well skilled in BC and below hulls, but getting started on BS sized guns.

I flew a heavy missile tengu for a long time in 4's for various faction corporations.
Once that got mind numbingly boring, I switched to HAM Tengu for level 4's with great success.

Now, much later in life, I have decided that I like laser boats, and I want to mission in Amarr space (just got my Imperial Navy standing over 5.0)

I did quite a bit of research and settled on the Nightmare as my hull of choice possibly the Paladin at a later date.
I have most of the elite fitting certificates, and all gun support skills to IV, can tank armor or shield equally well.

Here's where my dilemma is:

I had to warp out of Blockade against Blood Raiders. Like, 4 times. Tracking disruption killed my range, heavy/medium neuts were owning my cap, and my drones were dying trying to kill the disruptors.

Most of the level 4's I have done so far, the 'Mare destroyed in a very short time.

Please help! I really like my Nightmare but I am new to laser boats / battleships and need some tips!

Also if you want to provide good fits please do so, but bear in mind I have T1 guns for another 30 days or so. I do have IN Tachs on my 'Mare. Have to use Tachs since I cannot use Scorch in pulses of course.

Finally, if I'm just too underskilled for Nightmare now, that's fine, but please after you finish flaming me, provide suggestions on what Amarr ship I should fly in 4's!

I'd link my fit but I really need to go to bed, i'll try and type if out quickly.

IN Tach's with IN Multifreq
Auto Targeter
Small Tractor

A-type XL shield booster (forget if it's pith or gist, whichever is easier on cap)
shield boost amp II
b-type EM hardener
b-type therm hardener
heavy cap booster II with 800s
tracking computer II w/ tracking
tracking computer II w/ tracking

IN heat sink
IN heat sink
IN heat sink
tracking enhancer II
tracking enhancer II

3x semiconductor memory cell I

again, all the 4's I've done were easy so far, but blockade kicked my teeth in, so i also worry about some of the other harder missions like worlds collide etc

Thanks for the help! Sorry for crappy typing skillz, pretty tired.

This is a fully T2 version of what I use. You will have cap issues with the T2 Tachyons, but if you swap out to faction or meta4 you will be fine.

The Nightmare is a (slightly hardened) glass cannon with a tracking bonus. As such you want at least 4 Heat Sinks (faction or GTFO). Tracking computers are vastly better than tracking enhancers, but use a mid slot. Consider 2 tracking computers and swapping the TE for DC2 to make up for lost tank.

Mega Pulse Laser IIs are OK, but you will get more DPS at longer ranges with the Tachyons... and the Tachs will hit things at 20kms quite well.

This is bad advice. Tachymare is way better than Pulsemare for PvE.

I did blockade once in my nightmare. It was...a nightmare for me. The TD was making my guns useless against anything. Now, i simply decline this mission. I did vengeance yesterday and G-O-D O_O what CCP did to the sansha? ONE TD was enough for making my guns missing half the time a BS 40km from me O_O

It would seem that they changed how NPC tracking disruption works. Instead of simply reducing optimal, and leaving falloff untouched, it affects both. I was recently running missions in sleipnir, and my usual 30-40 km range was being cut down to 500 optimal, and a little over 4000 falloff. As to the problems you are having with the nightmare, perhaps asking one of your corpmates to come along and help clear it would be a good solution. I can;t think of much other than that, because your fit looks lik it should be able to deal with most missions without issue.

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Don't take a turret ships to AMARR space for missions
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you said nightmare... then amarr space... and i facepalmed.

amarr missions or nightmare, pick one. go back to caldari LVL4's and you'd have an awesome time

also: worlds collide will probably get you. ^warping in at range is not an option

It's not the NM's fault. The new and improved npc TD makes all turret boats unusable, not just NM. Wait until it's fixed - if it's fixed. This is a bad time to go Amarr.

Btw, npc td has unlimited range. If you're on grid, it's on you. Kiting won't help.

If you listen to this guy's advice, don't fly a NM.

Well, I can do the serpentis blockade really easy in a tachmare... I still get SD'd from cruisers 130km away... which I think is complete BS, so I'd imagine that the BR version also had ridiculously long range ewar.

In the case of Serp, I use 3x range scripted faction SeBos, I can usually lock past 80km even when being sensor damped.
Its my understanding that SeBos and Sensor damps are both stacking penalized with each other.
I wonder how viable it would be to do something similar in Amarr space, but stay at range with 1-2 TEs (for range) and 4-5 TCs (scripted for range/tracking, as needed).
If you are careful with the triggers, I'd imagine you could deal with the TDs - or at least with TC and TE + Aurora, you'd have enough range to snipe, and with a 70-100km warpin, I'd think tracking would be sufficient.