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Can a Drake still clear C3 wormhole sites?
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DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-12-24 01:11:36 UTC
So I'm looking to get back into wormhole diving. I used to do C1s and C2s in a Hurricane, but I'd like to be able to run C3s as well, and it seems a Drake is probably the cheapest way to do that... or was. I know heavy missiles have been nerfed to hell, so would this fit still work?

C3 Drake

IIRC, some of the battleships in C3s kite at about 60-70km. If not, would a different fit get the job done, or am I looking at something more expensive?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-12-24 01:46:31 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
So I'm looking to get back into wormhole diving. I used to do C1s and C2s in a Hurricane, but I'd like to be able to run C3s as well, and it seems a Drake is probably the cheapest way to do that... or was. I know heavy missiles have been nerfed to hell, so would this fit still work?

C3 Drake

IIRC, some of the battleships in C3s kite at about 60-70km. If not, would a different fit get the job done, or am I looking at something more expensive?




A drake could solo C3's before, but it sucked then, and will be slower now.
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-12-24 03:05:16 UTC
Can you suggest an alternative then? Ideally something cheaper than a Tengu, but if it really has to be a Tengu can anyone suggest a fit? Am I looking at heavy missiles or HAMs?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-12-24 04:06:34 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
Can you suggest an alternative then? Ideally something cheaper than a Tengu, but if it really has to be a Tengu can anyone suggest a fit? Am I looking at heavy missiles or HAMs?


A tengu works. It doesn't have to be overly pimped out. I haven't run C3's in awhile so I don't know about HML vs HAMS. I'd probably still stick with HML though just due to the range (which is still plenty far)

A friend of mine used to solo the anoms in a legion without trouble. He in some ways was faster than my tengu. He had to pilot more, but burned down the frigs and cruisers faster than i can.

Also had a friend who used to solo them in a sleipnir, but I don't know his fit.
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-12-24 04:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DIsposible Hero
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DIsposible Hero wrote:
Can you suggest an alternative then? Ideally something cheaper than a Tengu, but if it really has to be a Tengu can anyone suggest a fit? Am I looking at heavy missiles or HAMs?


A tengu works. It doesn't have to be overly pimped out. I haven't run C3's in awhile so I don't know about HML vs HAMS. I'd probably still stick with HML though just due to the range (which is still plenty far)

A friend of mine used to solo the anoms in a legion without trouble. He in some ways was faster than my tengu. He had to pilot more, but burned down the frigs and cruisers faster than i can.

Also had a friend who used to solo them in a sleipnir, but I don't know his fit.


Range is the issue, really. Some of those C3 battleships like to orbit at 65km and AFAIK heavy missiles now only go out to 50km. Missiles are probably the way to go due to their not having to worry about tracking against the frigs though.

*edit* I'm actually closer to a Loki than a Tengu and I'm seeing some promising looking fits on battleclinic, but none with particularly high ratings.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-24 04:43:02 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DIsposible Hero wrote:
Can you suggest an alternative then? Ideally something cheaper than a Tengu, but if it really has to be a Tengu can anyone suggest a fit? Am I looking at heavy missiles or HAMs?


A tengu works. It doesn't have to be overly pimped out. I haven't run C3's in awhile so I don't know about HML vs HAMS. I'd probably still stick with HML though just due to the range (which is still plenty far)

A friend of mine used to solo the anoms in a legion without trouble. He in some ways was faster than my tengu. He had to pilot more, but burned down the frigs and cruisers faster than i can.

Also had a friend who used to solo them in a sleipnir, but I don't know his fit.


Range is the issue, really. Some of those C3 battleships like to orbit at 65km and AFAIK heavy missiles now only go out to 50km. Missiles are probably the way to go due to their not having to worry about tracking against the frigs though.


Maybe in a drake. But a tengu will still reach out to 90km with T1 or faction ammo.

Like I said, my good friend (in RL and in EVE) soloed all 4 anoms in this fit legion. He did quite well with it. I'd try to figure out a sleipnir fit but i've never flown one.

[Legion, C3 farmer]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
DIsposible Hero
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-12-24 04:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: DIsposible Hero
I have no skills in Amarr cruisers or lasers of any kind; wondering if a Loki could do the trick with a similar fit and lasers substituted with autocannons. I imagine it would be a little lacking in tank...
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-12-24 04:54:13 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
I have no skills in Amarr cruisers or lasers of any kind; wondering if a Loki could do the trick with a similar fit and lasers substituted with autocannons. I imagine it would be a little lacking in tank...


Well I was just using it as an example that I know and have seen. Heck, I have soloed in a Proteus, but I wouldn't recommend it. (It is fun but not very isk efficient.)

I would say any T3 can solo C3's but in doing so you are likely looking at a price range about 800-1.1bil (except a proteus, that needs some pimp)

Here is a loki fit I found online. It is a little light on DPS being setup for solo work with a probe launcher. Plenty of tank though

[Loki, Loki C3 WH/PVE]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix


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Warrior II x1
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-24 06:54:55 UTC
Drake
CN 330dps @ 60km
T2 390dps @ 45km

Tengu
CN 550dps @ 90km
T2 650dps @ 70km
vague "you can expect something around these" numbers depending on the exact fit and your skills.

Drake will be much slower, but it still has a solid tank.
With the right group of friends you can take your drake into a c4.

T3's aren't as expensive as they used to be, and a pure T2 fit can still give good performance for the outlay
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-12-25 10:16:35 UTC
DIsposible Hero wrote:
I have no skills in Amarr cruisers or lasers of any kind; wondering if a Loki could do the trick with a similar fit and lasers substituted with autocannons. I imagine it would be a little lacking in tank...


A Loki "can do it". Not very well though. It requires a silly amount of pimp to work as well as a T2 fit Legion, to say nothing of a Tengu. The problem isn't even Tank, the Loki can Sig Tank very well... It's the damage. AC's don't project nearly as well as Missiles or Lasers, and aside from that there's the gigantic amount of Ammo it's going to chew through which can be a gigantic hassle by itself.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-12-25 10:23:29 UTC
dont run C3s in a drake.
ic can do them but it's an utter waste of time.

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