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CCP, how much ISK is in the game?

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2011-10-23 07:26:31 UTC
I think these numbers may have been in the quarterly numbers, but not sure.
I am curious how much ISK is lying around in all the wallets in the game, including the corporate wallets.
No way to calculate all the hard assets, but ISK should be something that CCP has a handle on,

There is no real reason to know, but I am indeed curious.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-23 07:34:55 UTC
I tried to count but ran out of fingers Sad
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-23 07:39:24 UTC
It's over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND
mkint
#4 - 2011-10-23 07:41:43 UTC
That's more complicated a question than you think. Do you count inactive accounts? Banned accounts? How do you tell if an account is inactive, or just on break? Do you count isk in wtb contracts and buy orders?

The issue of isk lost to inactive accounts was brought up in a discussion on isk faucets/sinks and inflation. CCP never came up with a satisfactory answer, but has kinda mellowed out on the inflation talk ever since.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#5 - 2011-10-23 07:42:24 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
I tried to count but ran out of fingers Sad



Toes FTW, remove shoes at once.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-23 07:45:47 UTC
Minerals are an ISK faucet because you pay money to get them
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#7 - 2011-10-23 08:19:11 UTC
Send me all your ISk and ill tell you.


Il give them back, thats the only way to know how much ISk in the game.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#8 - 2011-10-23 08:19:24 UTC
At least 12 ISK

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#9 - 2011-10-23 08:54:04 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Send me all your ISk and ill tell you.


Il give them back, thats the only way to know how much ISk in the game.

Sending all my isk now. I trust you. You look like an honest peron.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2011-10-23 09:25:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think these numbers may have been in the quarterly numbers, but not sure.
I am curious how much ISK is lying around in all the wallets in the game, including the corporate wallets.
No way to calculate all the hard assets, but ISK should be something that CCP has a handle on,

There is no real reason to know, but I am indeed curious.


The average player has about 9 ISK in his wallet.

Multiply that by the player base and you find there is a good couple of mil floating around the game.

Mr Epeen Cool
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2011-10-23 09:41:05 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think these numbers may have been in the quarterly numbers, but not sure.
I am curious how much ISK is lying around in all the wallets in the game, including the corporate wallets.
No way to calculate all the hard assets, but ISK should be something that CCP has a handle on,

There is no real reason to know, but I am indeed curious.


According to the QEN for Q4 2010, there was 445 trillion ISK in all accounts in EVE. Now this information is obviously a bit outdated, but I'll see if I can find some more recent data for you.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
seany1212
M Y S T
#12 - 2011-10-23 09:43:28 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I think these numbers may have been in the quarterly numbers, but not sure.
I am curious how much ISK is lying around in all the wallets in the game, including the corporate wallets.
No way to calculate all the hard assets, but ISK should be something that CCP has a handle on,

There is no real reason to know, but I am indeed curious.


I don't think its something you'll ever find out. It's like saying how much money is in the world, as in the case of eve its always moving and even then once you got it stop then you'd have to count market orders, isk invested in insurance, want to buy contracts, how much was invested in ships. I think it'd be easier to say 'how much isk is in everyone's wallet' but I don't think it would be a close value to actual whole game isk
yumike
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-23 09:45:14 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
According to the QEN for Q4 2010, there was 445 trillion ISK in all accounts in EVE. Now this information is obviously a bit outdated, but I'll see if I can find some more recent data for you.


Why has there been no updates to the QEN? We're missing a couple.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2011-10-23 09:55:51 UTC
yumike wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
According to the QEN for Q4 2010, there was 445 trillion ISK in all accounts in EVE. Now this information is obviously a bit outdated, but I'll see if I can find some more recent data for you.


Why has there been no updates to the QEN? We're missing a couple.


We have changed the format for reporting the economic data a bit -- now we are concentrating on monthly price indices (the next one should be published very shortly) and projects such as this one. Speaking of the latter, CCP Stillman is looking for your feedback. Smile

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
yumike
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-23 10:03:02 UTC
CCP Spitfire wrote:
yumike wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
According to the QEN for Q4 2010, there was 445 trillion ISK in all accounts in EVE. Now this information is obviously a bit outdated, but I'll see if I can find some more recent data for you.


Why has there been no updates to the QEN? We're missing a couple.


We have changed the format for reporting the economic data a bit -- now we are concentrating on monthly price indices (the next one should be published very shortly) and projects such as this one. Speaking of the latter, CCP Stillman is looking for your feedback. Smile



Thank you.
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#16 - 2011-10-23 10:06:59 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
I don't think its something you'll ever find out. It's like saying how much money is in the world, as in the case of eve its always moving and even then once you got it stop then you'd have to count market orders, isk invested in insurance, want to buy contracts, how much was invested in ships. I think it'd be easier to say 'how much isk is in everyone's wallet' but I don't think it would be a close value to actual whole game isk


These numbers could be determined exactly in EVE's case, where every isk and bullet is accounted for in the database. Actually working it all out is not that complicated at all, just a lot of work.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#17 - 2011-10-23 17:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Dinsdale Pirannha
CCP Spitfire wrote:
yumike wrote:
CCP Spitfire wrote:
According to the QEN for Q4 2010, there was 445 trillion ISK in all accounts in EVE. Now this information is obviously a bit outdated, but I'll see if I can find some more recent data for you.


Why has there been no updates to the QEN? We're missing a couple.


We have changed the format for reporting the economic data a bit -- now we are concentrating on monthly price indices (the next one should be published very shortly) and projects such as this one. Speaking of the latter, CCP Stillman is looking for your feedback. Smile


Thanks for the prompt reply Spitfire.
That is a big, big number.
That means every account in Eve is on average well over 1 billion ISK.

My 5 year plan to control Eve economically has been...er..extended, a bit.
:)
mkint
#18 - 2011-10-23 18:10:08 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
I don't think its something you'll ever find out. It's like saying how much money is in the world, as in the case of eve its always moving and even then once you got it stop then you'd have to count market orders, isk invested in insurance, want to buy contracts, how much was invested in ships. I think it'd be easier to say 'how much isk is in everyone's wallet' but I don't think it would be a close value to actual whole game isk


These numbers could be determined exactly in EVE's case, where every isk and bullet is accounted for in the database. Actually working it all out is not that complicated at all, just a lot of work.

The complicated part is deciding what to include in the count... like the isk in insurance... should that be counted? Yes it has a chance to significantly affect the final numbers, but how much insurance just expires and the isk lost? And if you do come to a decision, do you include isk invested, or the isk payouts? You could be counting isk that hasn't existed in anyone's wallets and can't be determined "exactly" yet is still fulfilling a purpose in the game. And still, what about inactive accounts? How many people have made their billions, got bored of trade as a profession, and unsubbed? And will they be back? How do you determine the odds of them coming back any time soon, and if you start including them in the total isk count you cannot be exact.

Also, I'm still all wtf about the lack of QENs... The EVE economist had 4 reports a year, and a whole team to put it together. The monthly price indices feel like an easy way out.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-23 18:22:42 UTC
Some of the information in the QENs were completely wrong, so I say good riddance.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-24 11:04:23 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Some of the information in the QENs were completely wrong, so I say good riddance.


I'm not saying you're lying, but care to give a few examples?
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